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04/29/2013 21:23
Brian_PDX 
04/29/2013 21:23
Brian_PDX 
Re: Personal experience

Congratulations on your progress. I am happy for you and a bit envious.

Brian

    04/29/2013 21:47
    zinkadoodle 
    04/29/2013 21:47
    zinkadoodle 
    Re: Personal experience

    Brian_PDX:
    Congratulations on your progress. I am happy for you and a bit envious.

    Brian
    Thanks, Brian. I wish the same success for you some day.

    ~Diane

      04/29/2013 22:54
      EdK 
      04/29/2013 22:54
      EdK 
      Re: Personal experience

      My recent experience was similar to zinkadoodle's. It was actually the 2nd Xiaflex treatment to my left ring finger, the first one being in July 2011. Back then I went from 90 degrees down to 10 degrees on the PIP joint. Within a year, I was back up to 70 degrees. But I wasn't very good about wearing my splint after about a month after that first Xiaflex injection, so I blame myself, not the failure of Xiaflex.

      After debating whether or not to have traditional surgery to correct the problem this 2nd time, I decided to give Xiaflex one more try, and that I'd do my best to wear the splint as long as it takes to keep my finger straight.

      The injection was on 4/4 and the straightening on 4/5. The pain of the Xiaflex (3 sticks) was similar to last time, but I noticed that night much less pain and more itchiness than in 2011. I was thrilled I was able to sleep pain free that night.

      The day of the straightening, 4/5, was different than last time in the my Dr. injected a nerve block into my left palm. Within 10 minutes there was no pain sensation in my left ring finger, and very limited feeling in the rest of the hand. This made the straightening almost completely pain free, which was a miracle. He got my finger to 0 degrees, another miracle.

      Then I went upstairs for my first physical therapy appt. post straightening. The PT made a splint for my left ring finger and pinkie. By then, the nerve block was wearing off, and the pain kicked in. I took a first pain killer. The PT put extra padding on the splint because I told her the main reason I hated wearing the spint in 2011 was that it killed. This time, the padding really helped, especially during those first few days post straightening. I only ended up taking painkillers every 4 hours for about 24 hours--and I did sleep very well that night post straightening. Very different than in 2011.

      I've had my follow up appt. with both the Dr. and PT, everything is going very well. After 2 weeks straight of wearing the spint round the clock, except for showers, I'm now only wearing it at night, and on long drives in the car. My finger starts out completely straight in the morning, when I take the splint off. There might be a 5 degree bend by the time I go to bed and put the splint back on. I'm going to keep wearing the splint at night for as long as possible.

      There's very little pain and minor swelling in my left ring finger now, I hope that all subsides soon.

        06/15/2013 06:58
        Jaci

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        06/15/2013 06:58
        Jaci

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        Re: Personal experience

        I've been following this forum for quite a while now, and find it so helpful - the information it provides is invaluable and hearing the stories of other people with Dupuytren's is comforting and supportive. This is by far the best Dupuytren's information resource.

        In reading this forum, the many stories and personal experiences, I've finally come up with a treatment action plan.

        About me: I'm currently 34 years old, and originally had lumps in both feet diagnosed as fibromytosis when I was 16! I ended up being treated with steroid injections into these by a tumor specialist in Melbourne. It wasn't until lumps started to appear in my right hand in my late 20s that the original foot diagnosis was changed to Dupuytren's and ledderhose. No issues with my left hand, and interestingly, the feet have not really been an issue (even after running countless kilometres in preparing for marathons!). I often wonder if the corticosteroid injections in the feet during early stages of the disease have slowed down the development... But that's pure conjecture. My right hand is not really bad at all.... Yet?!

        I was booked in for surgery in 2009. Went to hospital, was wheeled into the theatre room ready to go - and then the anaesthetist asked if I was pregnant. I had found out just that morning that I was - talk about bad timing. So anyway, they cancelled the surgery. The surgeon, who deals quite a lot with 'dewies' (my pet name for the disease), commented at the time that pregnancy hormones slow down the progress of It. I have had 2 babes since then, and have to say over the past 4 years, the progress has slowed... Coincidence?

        Anyway, I have been deliberating over treatment options ever since. I went back to see the surgeon mentioned earlier, and the second time he refused to do the surgery due to the pending release of Xiaflex in Australia. He mentioned then that it wouldn't be far away, yet 12 months later, I'm still waiting. Australia is sooooo far behind when it comes to treatment options!

        Jump now to Friday just gone, and I went to see the very reassuring Dr Jill Tomlinson in Melbourne about getting NA done. I've decided Xiaflex isn't a good option for me - being 34, there isn't enough long term info about the treatment - I'm just not willing to risk it. I have to say I'm feeling very hopeful about the NA treatment, and am confident Dr Tomlinson knows what she is doing. 3 weeks will tell...

        I'm planning on using DMSO gel on the hand as well - from what I read, it has worked for some people, and if not, it's known for its anti inflammatory properties anyway. I'm also planning on wearing the hand splint for as long as I can- even beyond the recommended 3 months.

        Am happy to update on my progress if anyone is interested - might be interesting for anyone in Victoria, Australia especially.

          06/15/2013 09:57
          spanishbuddha 

          Administrator

          06/15/2013 09:57
          spanishbuddha 

          Administrator

          Re: Personal experience

          Thanks for telling us your story jaci.

          Presumably you now have a contracture affecting the hand?

          I think NA is a good option for you at this stage, as long as your treating doctor has plenty of experience performing NA.

          Some people experience recurrence quite soon after NA and then consider RT as an option to slow it down. But perhaps you are relatively young for RT, so repeated NA can be done if the DD is not too aggressive.

          Please do keep us informed of your progress, and if you don't mind we love before and after photo's.

          There are fellow Aussies on the forum and they might join in.

            06/15/2013 13:52
            cokiwi 
            06/15/2013 13:52
            cokiwi 
            Re: Personal experience

            An update on my experience with N/A; about a year and a half ago I had N/A done in Arizona (I live in Colorado where no one does it) to straighten my pinky finger where the PIP was at 90'. It worked just fine but within 3 months my finger had contracted back again, despite my wearing the splint religiously until I could no longer use it because the finger was too bent.

            Last month I went back to AZ and had it done again, this time with a different doctor who was much closer. The release did not work at all. He was not able to cut through sufficient tissue without damaging the nerve. I could feel the tingling each time he hit it. He told me that the tissue he needed to cut through was too deep in there for him to use N/A and that I would need to have surgery. I was a bit concerned that perhaps he hadn't tried hard enough and that he would prefer to do the surgery. After further research on this website, I found that the hardest condition for N/A to be successful with is where the PIP joint on the little finger is involved, especially where there is hyperextension of the MCP joint, which is the case with mine. It is at a negative 15. So now the plan is surgery, although I will stay local for that and have it done at home, probably this fall. At least they won't have to get into the palm for that. The AZ doc uses an endoscope for his surgery, so that he has a minimal incision when he does it, and it is all done with a camera under the skin. I may go back to him when and if I need that type of thing, but my insurance is only good in CO and I had to get special permission to be covered for the N/A out of state.

            At this point I have nodules in my palm but no further contractures except for my other pinky, which is gradually bending just as the first one did. It is now at about 30' It also has a hyperextension in the MCP of -10 so may require surgery too. I will see if I can talk my local hand surgeon into learning how to do N/A!

              06/15/2013 14:22
              Seph 
              06/15/2013 14:22
              Seph 

              Re: Personal experience

              Jaci; I live in Sydney but grew up in NZ. Your story sounds very similar to mine except that I am 24 years older and male. In my case it took 15-20 year before I had a proper diagnosis but even then I was told that this was a genetic disease that only affected men. Alternatively the disease was triggered by alcoholism which, I'm sure we will all agree, is unlikely at 16.

              All that tells us is the the medical system is unreliable so far as this condition is concerned.

              My view is that you should delay all the serious intervention as long as possible. Xiaflex might turn out to be a miracle cure but I'm not ready to try dealing with a non life threatening disease by pumping drugs into my body and I am 58. You have time to see what the long term side effects are. Yes with NA the symptoms do seem to return but so what, just do it again.

                06/15/2013 14:26
                Seph 
                06/15/2013 14:26
                Seph 

                Re: Personal experience

                Sorry. I am in denial. I turned 59 last month.

                  06/15/2013 19:27
                  Brian_PDX 
                  06/15/2013 19:27
                  Brian_PDX 
                  Re: Personal experience

                  Hi Jaci,

                  More than most diseases, I believe DD requires the patient to be proactive and do his or her own research. Sounds like this is even more true in your country than mine. When I talked last to the Xiaflex rep from Seattle he said they are rapidly expanding to the Pacific Rim given the number of DD cases. I was surprised to learn Japan has a high incidence of the disease.

                  When I was diagnosed in 1994 the best medical advice was to do nothing. I do not think that is the best advice today. I would, if I had it to do over which I don't, be aggressive in treatment but very informed about options. I would have started with Xiaflex early and before other treatments because every treatment option creates scar tissue, inhibiting the success of the drug. Please note I have had both NA and Xiaflex treatments, with Xiaflex being a bit more helpful but neither curbing the disease enough to avoid further surgeries. If I had done this three years ago and prior to palmar fasciectomies (PF) the result could have been different. We will never know but I let a surgeon talk me out of Xiaflex in 2010 and regret it mightily.

                  On July 2nd I go to a new hand and plastic surgeon to discuss Dr. Lynn Ketchum's combination of PF and skin grafts that is mentioned in this thread. There is a video of his 15 minute presentation to a seminar in 2010. My only other option is amputation of the ring and little finger of my right hand which are completely contracted. The little finger of the left hand was amputated and the ring finger is starting to contract.

                  I saw little difference in terms of pain between NA and Xiaflex treatments as both involve needles. I would recommend using a local anesthesia with either, some doctors don't and I think they don't appreciate the pain involved. With Xiaflex we were able to pop one cord but NA didn't work at all. Again we are all different but I would have started Xiaflex much earlier before scar tissue developed.

                  You might consider contacting the people at www.xiaflex.com directly to determine availability. I would also have volunteered for clinical trials which they are constantly running even now. Good luck!

                    06/15/2013 21:08
                    moondanc 
                    06/15/2013 21:08
                    moondanc 
                    Re: Personal experience

                    Brian_PDX:
                    Hi Jaci,

                    You might consider contacting the people at www.xiaflex.com directly to determine availability. I would also have volunteered for clinical trials which they are constantly running even now. Good luck!

                    The problem here is that no one knows what the long term side effects of Xiaflex are. I was in the trial in Dec. 2007. The five year followup study to see results of those injections and to see how many antibodies are still in the bloodstream just concluded this January. The are many hand surgeons doing NA and Xiaflex who believe that ANY intervention can stimulate the disease. Perhaps NA is less stimulating because it is more localized than Xiaflex-- I'm not sure anyone knows the answer.

                    What I know is that my worst contracture is in the PIP joint of my little finger, immediately adjacent to the ring finger/palm I had injected with Xiaflex. Prior to having Xiaflex injected, I'd gone 20 years since DD first showed up in my ring finger and it progressed so slowly that it was the only finger that qualified for the study only the MCP joint was affected. In just five years since that Xiaflex injection, I now have DD in all four fingers of each hand, 7 PIP joints, 7 or 8 MCP joints plus palm cords and tethering in both hands. It's not a pretty sight!

                    Diane

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