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06/28/2013 22:46
Trigger8 
06/28/2013 22:46
Trigger8 

Re: Personal experience

Thanks for responding Brian. My hands were soft and smooth before trigger surgery and at first the surgeon pleaded ignorance when I asked him why these nodules and cords had appeared. Yes, it seems strange that each one appeared immediately after surgery so perhaps Dupuytren was lying dormant until he operated. He hasn't operated on my little fingers yet and so far there is no sign of nodules or cords. I live in NSW Australia and I haven't found any info locally.

    06/28/2013 23:47
    Brian_PDX 
    06/28/2013 23:47
    Brian_PDX 
    Re: Personal experience

    Trigger8,

    I was diagnosed in 1994 and it was until 2005 when I had my first palmar fasciectomy on my left hand. The symptoms just became unbearable very quickly and the disease is completely unpredictable. I do not know if surgery can be a trigger but it wasn't with me. My left little finger was amputated when the surgery failed. The right hand then exhibited the same problems as the left. Again the disease just seemed to accelerate on it's own.

    You will find some doctors are aware of the disease but few or none really know much about it. DMSO may help. I am trying it now on the left hand but the right is too far contracted (ring and little finger) and it seems to help. May be my imagination but it is funny we used to use DMSO on our horses when I was growing up and they loved the stuff.

    I am seeking a surgeon to try Dr. Lynn Ketchum's surgery as noted in this thread. We will see!

    Good luck.

    Brian

      06/29/2013 00:27
      Trigger8 
      06/29/2013 00:27
      Trigger8 

      Re: Personal experience

      This is a most interesting subject. What did you use DSMO on the horses for? I am trying to get a grasp on all of this.I had 8 trigger ops but have 6 nodules and 'cords'. 2 fingers ring and middle fingers of right hand have very swollen middle joints so I can no longer get a ring on either and the two fingers wont straighten. I was tested for rheumetoid arthritis but it was negative. I wonder if they are part of the dupuytren. they both have the nodulesn and chords. I am having a rotten time with my hands now I have to have surgery on the 16th July for carpal tunnel syndrome which is moderaten to severe and I have only been aware of that for some weeks not months so I don't understand why it got so bad so quickly.
      Do you get the pain on your palms? Would a splint help stop the fingers contracting? Do you have any idea yourself what started it? Gosh, I have a lot of learning to do. I read articles about Dr. Ketchum thanks for pointing me there.

        06/29/2013 17:56
        Brian_PDX 
        06/29/2013 17:56
        Brian_PDX 
        Re: Personal experience

        Hi Trigger8,

        We used DMSO for just about any orthopedic issue on horses such as soreness, edema, sprains, etc. DMSO was discovered at a paper plant in Camas, WA just a few miles from where I live. It also acts as a "skin transfer" that will move most any drug you mix it with into the blood stream by applying it to the skin.

        I do have pain and cramping in both hands but it is unpredictabe. No one yet knows the cause of DD but there are lots of theories. I have tried splints on both hands after PF surgery but to no avail. The affected fingers continued to contract until I could not put the splints on any more. Sometimes in the middle of the night I would have to rip off the splint as it hurt too much. Again if a doctor suggests it by all means do it, they will make a custom splint for your hand(s), and the splints and physical therapy have helped people.

        On Tuesday I see a Dr. Rick Green who is both a hand and a plastic surgeon. One theory has it that the cause of DD resides in the skin so they do skin grafts over the affected areas after a PF. I am hoping the combination of skills he has will enable him to try this methodology altho the pictures I saw of the procedures graphically depict what looks like a very traumatic surgery. Dr. Lynn Ketchum developed this technique in Kansas if memory serves.

        If not I will have two more fingers amputated, this time at the PP joint.

        Brian

          06/30/2013 07:25
          Trigger8 
          06/30/2013 07:25
          Trigger8 

          Re: Personal experience

          DMSO seems like an excellent drug for people who can't take drugs because of allergies or stomach problems e.g I couldn't take morphine patches because of being allergic to the sticky part of the plaster. So many drugs are found by accident.
          I felt quite upset reading your story. Does this mean you could lose ALL your digits? Now I see feet can be involved as well. I had a look at the procedure you speak of and read Dr. Ketchums bio. What really surprises me is so few people have heard of Dupuytren's. The ones that do are Drs and whoever is unfortunate enough to get it. For something so serious and so many people have it why is it so unknown I wonder. So far nothing has happened since discovering these nodules a few years ago except for the two fingers my Dr and I thought were rheumatoid arthritis because they are not able to straighten and are slowly getting worse. Now that I have read up about this nasty disease I see I have a nucklepad like the one shown in the photo on my middle finger. The bottom joints of these fingers are very big.
          Are you still able to work? Are you limited in what you can do? For the last 14years I have been running a Landcare group which involves a lot of weeding and planting and the Neurosurgeon said I can forget it. know I won't as long as I can do it.
          What would happen if a bent finger was broken and reset?

            06/30/2013 14:09
            TetonRose 
            06/30/2013 14:09
            TetonRose 
            Re: Personal experience

            I just found this HELP ME site for Dupuytrens, so have barely explored the tip of the iceberg. But was just reading through some of the messages on this forum. I developed Dupuytrens after I had a broken wrist, surgery, and had my arm in a cast for months. That triggered it evidently..... however my brother remembers that my father had it also. Mine involved my little finger of my dominant right hand. There's a cord, a nodule at the base of my little finger, and now the hand joint for this finger is distended. My orthopedic doctor has now said that I need treatment. Her office was supposed to check with my insurance co. to see if they would cover Xylaflex. I didn't hear from them for months. Finally I called them. The insurance company was dragging their feet on paying, so they signed me up for surgery. I was scheduled for Tuesday, July 2. I went for my pre surgery appointment and got cold feet. I told my doctor I wasn't ready. She was not happy. I decided I needed to get another opinion. I'm not even totally sure she's the right surgeon for this very tricky surgery. I love my right hand. I can function perfectly with no pain right now. I am typing beautifully. I can even do yoga. My four fingers work GREAT! Surgery will ruin my summer! So I found this site. Made an appointment with a hand specialist in Montana who treated a friend, who has DD. And I am going to explore this site to see if I can enlighten myself before I go under the knife. Thanks for being here!!!

              06/30/2013 14:43
              LubaM. 
              06/30/2013 14:43
              LubaM. 
              Re: Personal experience

              TetonRose,
              Welcome to the Forum. I too developed Dupuytrens (DD) after falling and getting a bad sprain on my small finger. I didn't have surgery but any trauma seems to precipitate the disease. When it comes to DD, everyone is so different, and as you continue to read on this forum you will understand that what works for one person does not work for the next. In the end you will have to make your own decisions based on the knowledge you gain here. It is annoying that insurance companies will pay for an expensive surgery rather than treatments that are less invasive and much cheaper. Many surgeons will push for surgery as many are still not "accepting" of other treatments.

              My personal opinion is read all you can on the various treatments...Radiation therapy (RT), Needle Aponeurotomy (NA), Xiaflex and Surgery... and consider the least invasive ones before opting for surgery. This site has a world of information and after you read come back with more questions. Progression for Dupuytrens is different for everyone, and if only one pinkie is involved and your four fingers work great stay away from surgery... at least until you try something else first.

              Edited 06/30/13 17:45

                06/30/2013 19:03
                Brian_PDX 
                06/30/2013 19:03
                Brian_PDX 
                Re: Personal experience

                TetonRose,

                I agree with LubaM, explore all options. Study the Mayo Clinic website for DD info. Go to the Xiaflex website. The company has an entire division devoted to helping educate insurance companies and handle appeals for denied coverage. I had surgeries beginning in 2005 before there was Xiaflex and in 2010 my surgeon, when the other hand became involved, talked me out of Xiaflex and back into surgery. Palmar fasciectomies (PF) failed to help either hand and are more expensive than Xiaflex.

                Insurance companies play on inexperience and use bureaucratic style to deny and delay coverage but fortunately I have been involved in both government and the health care industry so my appeal of denied coverage for Xiaflex was successful. Unfortunately, while there is some improvement after Xiaflex, surgeries create scar tissue that lessens the efficacy of Xiaflex, NA or any other treatment. Plus it took many months for the appeal while the disease continued to progress. If I lived in Canada, Sweden, France or many other countries the problem would have been resolved years ago. One excuse insurance companies use is Xiaflex is "experimental". By definition when the FDA approves a drug and treatment, it is no longer experimental. Xiaflex will send a copy of the approval and clinical trial data to support your appeal.

                You are smart to get another opinion. In my opinion, surgery should be a last resort but if you do it look at Dr. Lynn Ketchum's procedure involving both PF and skin grafts. You need a very experience surgeon to do this and I am seeing a hand and plastic surgeon Tuesday.

                I am tempted to post my appeal here so other people can use the info but I suppose I should think about it. Good luck!

                  06/30/2013 19:38
                  TetonRose 
                  06/30/2013 19:38
                  TetonRose 
                  Re: Personal experience

                  Thank you so much, LubaM & Brian PDX! Your words are wise. I will definitely follow your advice. Yes, my doctor was not confident with the Xiaflex treatment. Think she had only tried it once. It is idiotic that insurance companies do not support less invasive, less expensive treatments. The only reason I'm in a bit of a hurry is because I'm a retired teacher, still on my school district Blue Cross/ Blue Shield. It has fairly decent coverage. However in Sept. I'll be turning 65 and will be dropped by my school plan and will enter the big, bad, unknown world of MEDICARE. Who knows what will be covered and what won't? I have so much research ahead. Need to find out what my current policy covers (hand therapy) and what Medicare would cover, and what secondary policy would be the best. So much to do, so little time until September. But so far I think I am lucky...My little finger is minor compared to what you've been through. Good luck with your upcoming appointments. I hope the doctors can help you!

                    06/30/2013 20:21
                    moondanc 
                    06/30/2013 20:21
                    moondanc 
                    Re: Personal experience

                    TetonRose:
                    . However in Sept. I'll be turning 65 and will be dropped by my school plan and will enter the big, bad, unknown world of MEDICARE. Who knows what will be covered and what won't? I have so much research ahead. Need to find out what my current policy covers (hand therapy) and what Medicare would cover, and what secondary policy would be the best. So much to do, so little time until September.

                    Look into NA-- needle aponeurotomy-- there is lots of information on this website and many of the members here-- including Luba, me and lots of others have had this procedure. It is covered by Medicare. Check out this link to read all about it and then see if you can find a practitioner in your area. Make sure it is a hand surgeon. If your hand surgeon doesn't know about it, he/she is not the person for you:
                    http://www.dupuytren-online.info/needle_aponeurotomy.html

                    I also had Xiaflex and feel it accelerated my disease. It's not something to rush into.

                    Finally in regard to Medicare-- if you know you need a dupuytren's procedure, make sure you do NOT select a Medicare Advantage program. You want regular Medicare where you can select from ANY doctor that accepts Medicare instead of being confined in a network. With regard to the secondary-- it really doesn't matter that much. ANY procedure that is covered by Medicare will be covered by your secondary and vice versa. All Plan As, Bs... Fs--are the same regardless of company-- that's the law. Insurance companies can add extra benefits like Silver Sneakers exercise program or a vision discount but Medicare dictates the basic benefits available for each plan. I've had Plan F for 5 years and am 100% satisfied.

                    You can get Medicare advice and free counseling through SHIP:
                    "The State Health Insurance Assistance Program, or SHIP, is a national program that offers one-on-one counseling and assistance to people with Medicare and their families"

                    https://shiptalk.org/public/home.aspx?ReturnUrl=%2f

                    Another thing you might try is finding an insurance broker in your state that specializes in Medicare policies and they can give you quotes on various policies-- it almost always makes sense to go with the cheapest but you need to make sure the rates don't go up every year attained-age rating---- like Aetna-- vs. AARP and others which use community rating

                    "Community rating: Unlike most Medigap insurers, who set premiums based on your current age (attained-age rating) or your age when you first buy the policy (issue-age),

                    AARP/UnitedHealthcare uses community rating everywhere it’s sold. That means it charges the same premiums to all policyholders, regardless of age, gender or health. “A community-rated policy may cost you a little more when you’re younger,” says Burns, “but it often costs less when you get older.” You can learn which ratings system insurers use in your state by typing in your ZIP code on the Medicare site." medicare.gov -- tool around there for a bit.

                    Diane

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