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Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand
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02/10/2012 15:05
callie 
02/10/2012 15:05
callie 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

Lori,

We must be on the same schedule. The activity in my hand has seemed to have stopped. It was very active for about two months. It is now like it has said "that's it for now". It is not much different than my non-operated hand fifteen years ago. It was very active and then just stopped for 15 years.

I will not be doing RT. I will wait to see if this recent activity follows the pattern of previous action and just go dormant for several years. It is like the exchange I was wondering about with Wolfgang. I just wonder if the success of RT for some could be attributed to a natural stagnation of the disease. The disease seems to stop and start for many people and that contributes to all of the different successes (or failures) of everything people are trying. If they try something and the disease goes into a dormant stage the person will naturally think the dormant stage was attributable to the particular treatment they were pursuing. I have not had any treatment except the one surgery, but have had long periods of dormant Dupuytren's. This is not dissimilar to all of the people I know with Dupuytren's.

02/10/2012 18:44
lori 
02/10/2012 18:44
lori 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

Callie,

I know that if mine had not been changing so fast, I would have been more likely to do the wait and see. I was in so much pain and already having multiple problems at work because of my hand not functioning. I felt if I allowed it to progress much longer I would lose that RT window. It truely is hard to know what to do. Would if have stopped??? Who knows, I surely didn't. It is problematic that everyones is different, in different locations, nodules vs cords vs contraction, etc.. It makes the decision so much more difficult as to how to treat. There is no wrong or right way to treat, and that is why this forum is so great. We all get to look at different hands, feet, treatments, and outcomes. Too bad DD can't be more like chicken pox. We all would look the same, treatment is the same and the end result is the same.

Lori

02/11/2012 04:04
AGH 
02/11/2012 04:04
AGH 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

Thanks to everyone for the comments. I know I will enjoy the support and information I find here and I will definately share my progress. I am encouraged that there have been different responses to the various treatments, and I will keep doing the stretching and cross frictioning the cords manually until I can determine if it is helping or not. It is quite painful, but I do notice some increased flexibility, and that reduces the pain of it pulling on the joint.
I have also ceased taking coQ10 and glucosamine sulfate as of yesterday based on some comments here that it may stimulate new growth.
Other than that, I am going to go see a doctor I heard about in Portland who does NA, to see if I am a candidate.

lori:
Callie,

I am curious as to what your thoughts are as to how you will or will not treat this new nodule and cord. Will you try RT if it looks like it is changing or ???


BTW, I agree with you on the stimulant. Deep massage made mine more painful, and did not help one bit.


Lori

02/12/2012 04:43
flojo 
02/12/2012 04:43
flojo 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

Callie,
I am sure that RT is the factor that stopped the progression of my Dupuytren's because my sensations/symptoms of active Dupuys - itchy feeling and crawly feelings in my palm like worms or something were crawling around in the fascia of my palm. By the second week of RT, the itchy/crawly feelings were subsiding. They went away and have still not returned in over 2 1/2 years. No new nodules developed and they were developing rapidly, like 5 new ones in less than 2 months.

I agree that it can become dormant or start back up with a vengeance in a short time. You never know what is going to happen, but in my case, it was too sudden of an improvement not to attribute it to Rt.

02/12/2012 15:42
callie 
02/12/2012 15:42
callie 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

I have no doubt that you feel the way you do. But, what you describe was almost identical to my feelings without RT and the dormant state has lasted 15 years. Similarly the arches of my feet were bothering me very much. They have not bothered in a decade now. In both situations the noticeable uncomfortable activity just stopped and went dormant. I would suspect that is what happens for many, many individuals who are never heard from.

02/13/2012 04:02
Maddie 
02/13/2012 04:02
Maddie 
Re: Dupuytren’s recurring on web of hand

I am certain that RT stopped the progression in both my hands. Before I got the RT, the nodules and cords in my hands were growing so rapidly that I could see visible changes every few days. In fact, when I went for RT, they mapped out the treatment area on a Friday and cut a lead template to shield the nontreatment areas. By the following Thursday, one of the treatment area had grown enough that they needed to cut a new template for me.

My doctor had said that the RT would probably start kicking in about a week into it (I was on a 10-day course of treatment). And that was exactly what happened. A day or two after they cut the new template, the diseased area stopped growing. And over the course of the next few months, my larger nodules visibly shrank.

Of course, it is possible that, after 6 weeks or so of rapid progression, the disease suddenly stopped progressing and started shrinking exactly when I had the RT simply by coincidence. But the odds of that precise timing happening by coincidence seem enormous to me. Especially when this result is consistent with Prof. S's research on hundreds of cases and the personal experience of so many people on this forum. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the RT stopped the growth.

As many of you know, I did end up having new growth just outside the treatment area about a year later, which I've been continuing to get RT to deal with. But that to me is a issue of: 1) ensuring that treatment margins are large enough and that all visible AND non-visible disease is treated; and 2) the unfortunate reality that having successful RT on one part of your hand or foot doesn't mean the disease can't crop up elsewhere. With my aggressive disease (all 10 fingers, a nodule in one thumb web, etc.), I unfortunately think treating this will be an ongoing process throughout much of my life. However, after more than 2 years of aggressive Dups, I still have no functional impairment and have not needed to have open surgery. I consider this a success and attribute most of it to the early use of RT (helped out by NA from Dr. Denkler on the cord between my right thumb and index finger, which had already developed before the first course of RT).

Maddie

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