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Radiation therapy at Scripps
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07/21/2011 20:51
Katerina 
07/21/2011 20:51
Katerina 
Radiation therapy at Scripps

Hello everyone!

I wanted to share my experience with radiation therapy here in the US, with costs, thoughts, and questions. Just a little background...I have injury onset DD in my left hand after a cut from my ring finger across my palm to just under my index finger (14 stitches). The DD started some weeks later, with one nodule (which is now turning into a cord), leading to a total of 3 (the last of which just appeared on July 5th). My DD became really active recently with tingling, itching, aching, discomfort, and the new nodule. I had some success with enzymes last year, but this last flare up had me really worried. So, here I am in Scripps as it seems the only way to stop or slow the progression and the sooner it is done the better.

I arrived Sunday and am staying at the Del Mar Inn with the Scripps rate (thanks to the forum users who shared the information about the hotels). It is right up the road from the clinic and very easy to get to. Summer rates with Comicon and the opening of the races happening in town this week are $159/night. I was in contact with one of Dr. Tripuraneni's nurses, Susan, before my arrival. She arranged for me to be able to start treatment the same day as the simulation, so I didn't have to stay over the weekend and finish treatment the following Monday.

Biller Bob greeted me Monday morning before my scheduled simulation. He went over the billing as a self/cash pay and estimated $886 for the doctor's portion (which is 60% of the normal price) and $3,101 for the hospital portion (which is slightly over the medicare cost or 1/4 of commercial/insurance cost). I had to pay the full doctor's estimate and 1/2 of the hospital for the deposit. The remaining $1,550 will be billed and must be paid within one month from the end of treatment.

The simulation is where they prepare the "stencil" for where the electron radiation will be applied. Doctor T came in and palpated and located the nodules/cord and drew around them. He then drew a large margin around them and this would be the shape that the radiation tech would be using for my treatment later that day. She traced my hand onto a foam block and put wooden sticks to hold my fingers in place and still and then traced the markings made on my hand onto a transparency. Then, a CT scan was needed to ascertain how deep the nodules are and how deep the radiation would need to be. My cousin has been with me throughout the whole process and has been such a good support and advocate. She made sure that during the CT scan I had a lead drape that included the thyroid protection (which they were able to get from another room, but wouldn't have been used if my cousin hadn't asked).

So everyday when I go in for my treatment I put my hand on the blue foam with the little sticks and then the radiation techs line up the transparency on my hand, feel for the nodules to make sure it is in the right spot and compare it with the picture they have from the first day when my hand was marked by the doctor. Then they align the machine with the "stencil" in place, so that the light shows through and matches the transparency. They then put the bolus on top of my hand to bring the radiation to the surface. This acts as a thick skin because the machines are meant to go through the skin and with dupuytren's you want it to stay near the surface. (This is all how I understood it…I may be totally wrong…I am sharing my experience and how I took in the information) You don't need any protective covering as it is isolated to the area the light shines down on (but they do all run out pretty quickly…it makes you wonder).

My big surprise is that the treatment only lasts a minute and a half!! I don't know how long I was expecting, but thy are so efficient at getting everything set up and making it flow smoothly that I was amazed at how quickly it was all over. There are three techs there checking and double checking, who are very friendly, helpful and efficient, that by the time they hurry out and turn on the machine….1:30 minutes later it's done. I am receiving 3 Gy for 5 days and I will come back in 1 month for a follow up to see if he will recommend another round or if this will be enough.

Dr. T said I would have no side effects and that I didn't need to use the urea cream I had read about here on the forum. He almost seemed to laugh it off or roll his eyes at the idea. When I asked if I could continue to work as a server right after the treatment he said at first that I could work, but that I should take it easy for the next 2 weeks. I am hoping to meet with him again and ask for more details on that. I don't know if my body will let me know what too much is, or if I should not work at all to allow for maximum healing. It confuses me to hear that there are no side effects, and yet I should take it easy. Does anyone have any advice on this issue?

I hope this information is helpful to anyone considering RT. I welcome any comments, corrections, or advice.

07/22/2011 07:15
spanishbuddha 

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07/22/2011 07:15
spanishbuddha 

Administrator

Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Thanks for sharing this Katerina.

I imagine that compared to side effects of using radiation for cancers, the reported side effects with Dupuytren's are very minor especially given the radiation doses involved.

I've had two rounds of RT treatment on one hand (one treatment cycle). In the first case I noticed some tannng discolouration and superficial dry skin. In the second case I do have some scaly dry skin with cracks between the fingers, but it it is indeed minor.

The advice I was given was to not do any physical work with the hand for several weeks. It did/does feel slightly sore, more sore after the RT, but also not a problem. I play some piano and have continued with that. Other people have reported redness, discomfort at night (heat) and other things.

Best wishes for your healing.

Edited 07/22/11 10:20

07/22/2011 18:26
lori 
07/22/2011 18:26
lori 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Katerina,

During the first week of my RT I had a little pain in my palm. My doctor said that was to be expected because the RT is attacking and killing the DD. I was also told to take it easy between RT treatments. After the 2nd round of RT you could see the exact area that was treated because it was a little red and lasted that way for about a week. I have a little dry skin in the winter in that area to this day. I did not do anything during the treatment period that pounded or abused my hand.

Hope this helps and good luck,

Lori

07/22/2011 19:33
Larry 
07/22/2011 19:33
Larry 
Re: Radiation therapy and Costs at Scripps - Germany compared

Seems to be a good and efficient treatment similar to th GERMAN CONCEPT designed by Prof. Seegenschmiedt; the skin reactions seem to be very similar to mine ! Yours costs are 4.000 USD per treatment site plus hotel 1,000 USD ?! For a second round this accounts to 10.000 USD ?! Do You hav to pay ALL out of your POCKET ?!

I had to pay 1.000 EURO (= 1.400 USD) for 2 RT series with 10 sessions including ALL FEES (Technical plus Hospital plus Physician) for ONE EXTREMITY ! I think CT scan is not necessary as they Know the depth profile of the beams they use and they can only use the low-energy beams ... May be that saves money. At least for the next round it has not to be performed again ...

Wish you good luck and success, LARRY

Edited 07/22/11 22:37

07/23/2011 15:39
debrr 
07/23/2011 15:39
debrr 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Katerina,
Thanks for sharing your experience at Scripps. I also went to Scripps for LD and saw Dr. T. He does not seem to have a lot of patience for what is being said "online".
I have not returned for second round of RT yet, but I do remember being told to avoid extreme hot or cold.
Please keep us posted on your progress!
Wishing you speedy recovery!
Debbie

07/23/2011 15:51
Katerina 
07/23/2011 15:51
Katerina 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Spanish Buddha, thanks for your comments and reply.

Lori, thanks for you replies to my emails and thread. So far so good...I''m feeling really good about getting the radiation therapy and my pain has been considerably less since day 4 of the treatment (so the last three days). I don't appear to have any redness or dryness, but one nodule appears flatter already.

Larry, I know the cost seems like more here in the states, but time was of the essence and getting a flight on short notice was around $1,400 round trip plus the expense of food and lodging. I was able to have my cousin with me, which would have added another ticket. I did write to Dr. Seegenschmiedt and he was very helpful and I know he is very experienced. It was a hard decision to make. I wanted to include the prices for the forum readers to know the cash pay price, because I think it has been listed as $11-18 k on other threads. I think the CT scan was just a precaution on the Dr.'s part, and I agree that it didn't seem necessary. I don't think it will be done again if I need the second set of treatments.

Update on my experience of RT:
Yesterday was my last day and I was able to meet with Dr. T to clarify what taking it easy means. He said I should be moderate, not do any heavy lifting, and continue to gently stretch and exercise my hand. I work mainly as a server in a restaurant and will not be lifting any trays or working long shifts. He said that avoiding hot and cold wasn't really necessary, but again not to go to any extremes.

I want to share some possible side effects I experienced during my week of treatment. None of these were extreme and may have been a result of travel, being away from home, nerves, etc. After Day one of treatment I felt irritable. I searched the forum for irritable and found a post about the liver meridian in Chinese medicine being linked to tendons and ligaments and also associated with the emotions of anger and irritability. Interesting. Day two and Day four I felt tired, but especially Day two where I had to nap. Day three I felt a bit out of it right after treatment. Feeling a bit disoriented and less aware of my surroundings. Starting from Day four and continuing through this morning (first day after treatment) I am feeling much less pain in my hand in general.

Questions:
I have scheduled an appointment in 1 1/2 months to determine if the second round is necessary. I know that Prof. Seegenschmiedt gives 2 rounds of 3 Gy x 5 days on a standard basis. Has anyone had just the one round? I would love it if that was enough. Any thoughts on the topic?
What about massaging the hand at this point? I saw a previous post about the balls for ledderhose and the cylinder shaped massager for hands. Has anyone used these? Are they good for stimulating healing, relieving pain, or both?
Are any particular creams or lotions better than others? Urea cream? Is wearing gloves at night recommended? Dr. T didn't think so, but it seems like one of those things that couldn't hurt and I would love to hear if anyone has an opinion on it.

Thanks again.

07/23/2011 16:45
Larry 
07/23/2011 16:45
Larry 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

I use the nobbed balls doing gentle exercise and use the urea cream every evening before going to bed ! My hands are well worked, soft and gentle now and I can play piano much better than before RT.

For the feet I use changing baths for my feet with hot and cold temperature for about 10 minutes with about 1 minute at each temperature level and than change ... this improves my circulation to the feet ! Afterwards going to sleep ...

In Germany its a variation of KNEIPP foot bath practice ... Otherwise take it easy and don't think every day about feet and hands.

LARRY

07/25/2011 15:26
debrr 
07/25/2011 15:26
debrr 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Katerina,
I have only had one round of RT thus far with Dr. T, even though he suggested I come back in 3 months for Round 2. I am aprroaching the end of 6 month mark and believe I am finally seeing some relief. One foot seems smaller but the worst one still looks swollen. I tried massaging with just mt fingers last night and my feet seem to ache more this morninng.
Best to you, Debbie

Katerina:

Questions:
I have scheduled an appointment in 1 1/2 months to determine if the second round is necessary. I know that Prof. Seegenschmiedt gives 2 rounds of 3 Gy x 5 days on a standard basis. Has anyone had just the one round? I would love it if that was enough. Any thoughts on the topic?
What about massaging the hand at this point? I saw a previous post about the balls for ledderhose and the cylinder shaped massager for hands. Has anyone used these? Are they good for stimulating healing, relieving pain, or both?
Are any particular creams or lotions better than others? Urea cream? Is wearing gloves at night recommended? Dr. T didn't think so, but it seems like one of those things that couldn't hurt and I would love to hear if anyone has an opinion on it.

07/26/2011 15:11
Katerina 
07/26/2011 15:11
Katerina 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Debb,
I'm sorry to hear that it's taken so long for you to see results. All the best for your healing, too.

Larry,
It's good to hear that the massage and cream have been working for you. I have been using cream, but will buy the urea cream today and hopefully find a massage ball.

Updates on my progress or regress...
My second nodule is almost totally unnoticeable. The first nodule, which has always been the largest, is less puckered and has shrunk. The last pea-like nodule is not painful to the touch anymore and is about half the size. My hand looks and feels better. I have been more tired than normal and yesterday my hand was achy. I was told that I will see improvement over the next 2-4 weeks and so far I am very happy with the improvement.

Thanks all for your time and replies. I really appreciate the forum and I've learned so much from your stories. I hope my story can help someone, too. I have pictures of the radiation process and pictures of my hand if any are interested.

07/26/2011 16:34
flojo 
07/26/2011 16:34
flojo 
Re: Radiation therapy at Scripps

Interesting that Dr. T has adopted the German protocol. My RT 2 years ago was what I could do at the time. Since it worked for me, I'm satisfied especially with the lesser radiation. My cords still progress, but RT isn't expected to be effective on them anyway.

Keep us updated with your progress.

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