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I think that I have found the right place finally
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03/07/2008 22:38
Dyingbreed45 
03/07/2008 22:38
Dyingbreed45 

I think that I have found the right place finally


Hello to all here. I have been looking for some time trying to find out about my new found "friend" Dupuytren's Contractures. 3-15-07 my right dominant hand was crushed by a 5 ton die while at work. Never had a problem with my right hand until the accident. My first specialist didn't even touch my hand once. To make a long story short my second specialist x-rayed, touched my hand and asked about my heredity which has some Scotish, Irish mix along with others. My specialist then said, "Looks like we have DC." At the time I was bewilderd to say the least. After finishing with him I went home to research and found minimal tutorials on DC.
Well, I had 80 + therapy sessions with some relief to the condition. My middle, ring and pinky are affected. My index has prblems as well but don't think or know if it is related to Dupuytren's. Anyway, today I found there is "knuckle pads" that can form on top of the PIP joint. They have started on my ring and pinky finger. To this date I have not had surgery because of a lady that I met at therapy that has had 4 going on her 5 surgery. This is not favorable to me, scares me and yet I know that chances are it will come to where I will not be able to use my hand which is not all that functional as it stands right now.
Good thing I am persist in trying to find more information daily and stumbled upon this site. HOORAY! Would appreciate the wisdom of those who have been through treatments, surgeries, injections, accupuncture, and anything else that I am not aware of and gain the knowledge to know what should be done. Thank you for taking the time to read my post.

03/07/2008 22:48
Randy_H 
03/07/2008 22:48
Randy_H 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Dyingbreed45

Welcome! My friend Wolfgang from Germany created this site to help people *exacely* like you. Gland you found us.

You situation is a little different from most because of the complications of serious hand injury. However I am sure you will gain a lot of insight by reading these threads and staying up with the conversation. For starters I would also recommend Dr. Charles Eaton's sight:

http://www.handcenter.org/

All the Best

Randy

03/07/2008 23:01
Dyingbreed45 
03/07/2008 23:01
Dyingbreed45 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally


Thank you Randy H. Also a big thanks to Wolfgang for putting together this site. I tried the site you posted but it must be down or something because it says can't display. Non the less will try it again in the near future. Wll be here often learning and keeping up on what is happening.

Take care,

Dyingbreed45

03/08/2008 02:03
newman 
03/08/2008 02:03
newman 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Hi Australia calling, welcome to the forum,
Do you have any contraction to your fingers? Have you heard of the simple table top test to monitor yourself of any progression of contraction.( Simply lay your hand on a flat surface , palm up and take the distance from the fingernail to the flat surface. Document your information. The advice I received was not to do any surgery until the contraction reached 5 to 6 cm. ( 2 ins.) ) In my case that took 15 years. This disease affects everybody in a different way. I was informed it generally affected most persons firstly on the little and ring fingers. You mentioned your index finger , well in my case I've had the index and thumb with MD. Not good when you have to use your hands to grasp a broom , hammer etc. When I was first diagnosed the most important message I was given was to stretch my hands slowly on a flat surface. I am still doing this 30 years later and can still place both hands down on a flat surface.Both my little fingershave about 5mm. contraction. You may have read that knuckle pads are an indication that the disease may be aggressive. I have very large k/pads on the joints of my little fingers. It is important to make a close fist ,when you exercise. I attribute my DC from my mother's Irish background.My father's side was from nothern German but I recently traced both sides of my father's parents and no Dups.Don't rush into surgery . The Doctors dont tell you that the first surgery may start the clock for future surgery. Finally accupuncture did nothing for me. Regards from down under.

Edited at 08.03.08 08:01

03/08/2008 08:22
Wolfgang

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03/08/2008 08:22
Wolfgang

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Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Yeah, you found the right place! Welcome to our forum!

Did you have a look at our web site www.dupuytren-online.info already? You will find lots of information on the disease and on therapies. Which therapy is the best really depends on the stage of the disease. The bad news is that none of these therapies is a cure but they all provide relief. We have several options and research is ongoing. So don't worry, just take yur time and start reading and asking questions.

Wolfgang

03/08/2008 17:09
Dyingbreed45 
03/08/2008 17:09
Dyingbreed45 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

I want to thank you Wolfgang for making this forum and sending me the site to educate myself. Just started to read about what this "disease" is about. So I will have questions after reading more and get more of an understanding of what to expect and get good advice from every one here and hope that I will also be able to help a bit in time. This is wonderful to be able to express what others can't understand because no one that I know has Dups other than a very nice woman that I met in therapy who is going on her 5th surgery. She has Dups in both hands. She let me feel her palms and advised me on what she has been through which scared me a lot but also made me feel sorry for her because she developed it "naturally".
Education is the best way to understand what is happening to me and others like wise who have this chronic disease. To have such a life changing ordeal to cope with is hard for others who are not stricken with Dups to understand the implications of what use to be simple tasks to do with my hand have become cumbersome.
I have a long road ahead but know it will be easier no that I have found friends here that understand what this disease is all about. Once again I want to thank you Wolfgang for the help and forum to keep me strong and move forward instead of standing still.

Got Dups the hard way,

Dyingbreed45

03/09/2008 09:11
Wolfgang

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03/09/2008 09:11
Wolfgang

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Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Thank you for your kind comment but it's not just me. There are many from all over the world helping in our forum and with our web site, providing ideas, providing addresses and feedback, teaching us and sharing latest research with us (many of them doctors), providing infrastructure, improving our web site ranking, donating, and many other things. That by itself is very satisfying and even an opportunity to make good friends. You see, we are getting the best out of stupid Dupuytren's. Again, you are very welcome!

Wolfgang

03/11/2008 13:29
Dyingbreed45 
03/11/2008 13:29
Dyingbreed45 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Thanks to all that are here who have DC (not that you want to have DC) who share their experiences and to those who help improve treatments, donate, etc.
Every case is different since each of us have our own chemistry make up so we are affected differently. Since I am a WC case it is going to be difficult road ahead for me since you can't just pick and choose a procedure unless you are able to have a physician who uses more than surgey, or be referred to another physician and the procedure is "approved" etc. I can sum it up like this "RED TAPE"! Most people have never heard of DC so it is "foriegn" to most people. There is no doubt mine came from a trauma having my hand crushed. WC wants my condition to have miraculously disappear.
What I want to know is what is the return rate of DC after needle aponeurotomy 58 %? Do you use NA for short? Also, When do certain treatments work better at certain stages of DC? Even after reading and have read most but not all of the literature experience is the best teacher. I will wait patiently and good luck to all who suffer from DC.

Got Dups the hard way,

Dyingbreed45

03/11/2008 14:10
Randy_H 
03/11/2008 14:10
Randy_H 

You *have* found the right place!

You have touched on the core of one of two arguments the surgical establishment has used against needle aponevrotomy (NA). While it is well known that recurrence after open surgery (OS) is about 50% after five years, it was supposed that recurrence after NA was so high that it was not worth doing. As it turns out the French are probably right when they asserted that the majority of new patients can use NA to avoid OS for the rest of their lives. For the others, OS is always there as a second step.

So, if you don't look at NA Vs OS as an eighor/or but rather a continuum from entry level treatment to the more invasive, the somewhat higher rate of recurrence for NA is irrelevant. What counter balances the higher rate is the ease of recovery and NA's nearly infinite repeatability. No so with OS. Most hands can only benefit from about three surgeries. Then you're done. Furthermore, once you have OS, NA can become more difficult (if not impossible) because of the resulting scar tissue.

In fact, the counter argument for NA is that the trauma from OS can trigger more Dups. That's why the surgeon must remover all the Dups tissue if he is to go ahead and open up your hand. For some however, the trauma of the surgery only begets more surgery. So, the best fire stop we now have is OS with skin grafting to remove the Dups-prone skin altogether.

I've had both OS and NA and I am perfectly willing to pay for NA out of pocket without insurance. Well worth the money. From my perspective OS is reserved for cases where NA has been tried and has failed to slow rapid progression. This is also the typical perspective of American CHS who practice both NA and OS.

03/11/2008 15:05
Dyingbreed45 
03/11/2008 15:05
Dyingbreed45 

Re: I think that I have found the right place finally

Good points made about the "lesser of two evils" NA vs. OS. To me once you cut into any body part it is never the same again. You metioned scar tissue. Scar tissue hurts and that is that. When my hand was crushed it smashed my hand and I could feel it spread apart and when I looked at my hand there on my palm side were two tears that of course hurt like you know what and still do to this day almost a year later that is not to mention the damage that happened to the tissue, tendons, ligaments, etc. From what I have seen and not experienced the OS is very invasive and we all know of all the nerve endings in the hand with the scars left inside as well as outside has to make it even more difficult to handle tools, putting pressure on the palm, among the many other things you do with your hand daily seems to me would be adding fuel to the fire plus the possibility of developing DC in other areas as well. Not to say that OS is not good at all but still scares me. Not to say here in the U.S.A. that other options are not available, it is the debate that you spoke of that keeps most surgeons relying on the OS instead of NA.
After turning down the surgery my surgeon released me to MMI and went to an FCE. Well the firm that did the FCE didn't even consider my condition of DC but based it on what I could grip and when the weight bothered my hand wrist and sliding weight in a milk crate on a smooth surface unrelated to what would be happening in my line of work. To them I am just fine and could go back to setting dies, etc. That is where the ignorance of DC that seems to elude the general population, unless it has affected them. Knowledge is power and educating all about this disease could make a difference. Because of the lack of documentation of causes and where DC actually comes from it seems like DC gets pushed to the side as if it doesn't exsist. Which we all know this is a "crippling" ailment and needs to be treated not just left alone. Thank you Randy H for the reply it helps me to learn more from some one who has experienced both.

Got Dups the hard way,

Dyingbreed45

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