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04/26/2007 15:22
rae 
04/26/2007 15:22
rae 
Re: newly diagnosed

If anyone out there thinks they my have this disease, please don't wait to get treated. I've been going to doctors for the last year. The year before that , I was diagnosed with frozen shoulder,which took a year to completely heal. One month after that my left hand was swollen when I woke up. It was stinging really bad and my ring finger and pinky were starting to contract. I didn't have any nodules or dimpling in the palm. Within 1 month, i had 90 degree contracture, and 3 weeks later I had the middle finger that was contracting. I saw 5 doctors, had x-rays, mri, nerve test and they said the results were normal. I now have 190 degree contracture of all fingers except the thumb. Now they tell me it's to late for any treatment. Also somehow the bicep tendon was involved from the frozen shoulder, and my left arm is 6 in. shorter than my right. If anyone knows of anything I can do, or any tips on coping with everyday life, please let me know. This is very depressing.
I'm 54 female, and i don't know anyone with this disease.

05/02/2007 18:52
Sandie1141 
05/02/2007 18:52
Sandie1141 
Re: newly diagnosed

Rae, really sorry to hear that you have DU and that you are progressing so fast. Have you talked to any of the NA doctors? My husband has had the desease for approx 4 years. His dad had it also. We believe that there are a number of contributing factors that worked against him. One being that he is left handed and has worked with a drill everyday for the past 15 years. He used his right palm to push on the cordless drill. He noticed the lumps, then his ring finger and now it is effecting his small finger. He refused to see a doctor. He doesn't want to admit that he has a problem and he said that since he is left handed, he doesn't really need his right hand. Now it's to the point where he can't hold my hand, shake hands, put on gloves, etc.

We have been doing a lot of searching for the right procedure. His primary doctor referred him to a hand surgeon. The hand surgeon didn't even mention NA. He said our only alternative was the enzyme, but it won't be available for 1-2 years, so he needs the surgery.

I'm so glad we searched for another answer. We are planning for the NA. Insurance will cover it, but since it is "out of network" our deductable is $2000.00, which is more than the surgery and travel will cost. I wish he would have looked into this sooner. I think each day or week goes by, it will effect your outcome.

You sound really stressed out. I know it sounds stupid, but from reading about DU, stress could be making it worse. Try and calm your body down, relax a little and do as many Google searches as it takes to help you find the right answer for you.

I hope you find that answer soon. Sandie

05/11/2007 01:50
JKDay423

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05/11/2007 01:50
JKDay423

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Re: newly diagnosed

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We may be in the minority but there are a few of us. I'm a 58 year old woman with the whole diathesis.



I am a 63 year-old female just diagnosed. My 66 year-old sister also has it but didn't know what it was until I was diagnosed. I have some pain and discomfort and have been having shoulder pain lately. So far I don't have contracture, but the cords are getting quite large. Also only have it in right hand. My doctor says there is nothing he can do until I get a 30 degree contrature. Why do the doctors say there is no pain with this disease? Evidentally they have never had it.

05/14/2007 23:52
bstenman 
05/14/2007 23:52
bstenman 
Re: newly diagnosed

Doctors who state not to do anything until a certain stage is reached are thinking exclusively about surgery and about surgery for dealing with the symptoms only and not removing diseased tissue to stop the spread.

NAC supplements may help and I have found nothing to indicate they have any harmful side effects. It is metabolized by your body into a very powerful antioxidant so it can have benefits beyond Dupuytren's for individuals.

Radiotherapy and grafting are the only treatments for which there is any clinical evidence that they can halt or slow the progression of the disease. The graft makes sense for individuals with very advanced stages of the disease as radiotherapy can do nothing for tissue that has already mutated, just keep it from affecting adjoining tissue.

In the USA in any case there is just starting to be increased awareness of the benefits of radiotherapy for treating benign diseases (non-cancerous tissue). It is being used to reduce calcification with hip replacement surgery and to reduce scaring with plastic surgery as well as prostrate surgery where the urethra can develop scarring. I am not a doctor but I am well aware of the reluctance (partly from fear of medical malpractice suits by lawyers) for doctors in the USA to adopt new approaches to treating medical conditions.

Bruce

05/17/2007 16:05
lps guy

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05/17/2007 16:05
lps guy

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Re: newly diagnosed

I don't know about radiation but I've had both the invasive surgery and the NA treatment. My contracture came back worse than ever 3-4 years after the invasive surgery. Doctor recommended fusing my knuckle so I went looking for new treatments and found NA. I just had the NA just weeks ago and its FANTASTIC!. One day, in and out ... bandages off the next day ... was building a fence two days later ... played the piano 72 hours later ... I've already booked the treatment for my other hand.

From my experience, and the people I know with it, once you see it, you got it. No amount of vitamins and/or stretching is going to halt the inevitable growth. Had my first surgery at age 46. Had the NA at 50. I anticipate probably having a few more but the NA is so much easier than invasive surgery the prospects don't seem daunting at all.

05/19/2007 03:35
Mamabear55 
05/19/2007 03:35
Mamabear55 
Re: newly diagnosed

I am 55 years old, female, Canadian. I have had DC for 4 years now and saw Dr. P. Binhammer at Sunnybrook Hospital in Toronto in October 2005 for NA procedure. Unfortunately I was back there merely 6 months later for another procedure. I have a PIP contracture on the pinkie and I believe I aggrevated the disease by having my local doctor inject cortizone on a large nodule at the base of that finger to try and shrink it. That did work, but boy did my pinkie curve up fast. It was almost to the palm when I went back to Toronto in March. Dr. Binhammer got it down pretty flat, but here we are, two months later and my PIP contracture is again at 10 degrees already, making wearing the splint at night very unccomfortable, as that top strap gets a lot of resistence from that pinkie finger, even if it is only 10 degrees up. Also, the knuckle on that finger is large, bumpy and sore, so pressing it against that hard splint is painful and hard to sleep with...and I have a sleep problem to begin with, so I don't want to aggrevate that.
My prognosis, according to Dr. Binhammmer is not good, due to my young age, starting DC early on and its fast reoccurence is not good.
He suggested that I might go for open surgery to try and "excise" most of the disease out", but that it was not guaranteed that DC would still return with a vengeance and at the same speed that it retuined after the two NA procedures I have had so far.
Any comments Randy H?

05/19/2007 19:17
bstenman 
05/19/2007 19:17
bstenman 
Re: newly diagnosed

You have several options, including doing nothing and having more NA procedures on a periodic basis. Open hand surgery and with this comes the decision on which approach, fasciectomy, grafts, etc., and even the tourniquet approach used by the surgeon which has an impact on the likelihood for various complications from the surgery. You can take supplements such as NAC. Or you can get radiotherapy.

I have had NA performed on both hands and am now receiving radiotherapy, returning to Essen, Germany in August. NAC and radiotherapy are the only treatments that I have concluded from my own research (limited by what I could find on the Internet as a non-medical practitioner) that are likely to halt or delay the progression of the disease.

NA and most open hand surgeries only deal with the effects of the disease that you have. Physical therapy and some pain may be necessary to maintain the benefits from the NA and it seems that any number of incidents that trigger the body's wound repair mechanisms can worsen the disease in individuals.

You are in a better position than I in that you are a Canadian citizen and have access to the two hospitals in Montreal that are providing radiotherapy treatment for Dupuytren's. Your costs will be 1/100th of mine to go twice to Germany from California for my two rounds of radiotherapy.

I would recommend taking the time and expense to have a consultation with a doctor at one of these hospitals and then deciding whether you want to proceed with the treatment. Contact information is provided on this website but from my experience I would suggest having someone who is fluent in French make the appointments and if at all possible accompany you to the hospital for the consultation.

I had no success in reaching anyone at either hospital who spoke English and so I ended up traveling to Germany to receive radiotherapy where my lack of fluency in German has not been a problem.

Bruce

05/19/2007 19:30
Mamabear55 
05/19/2007 19:30
Mamabear55 
Re: newly diagnosed

Thank you for your imput Bruce.
I have two advantages then, according to you. I am Canadian, and also born in Quebec, and French is my first language, thus no language barrier even exists for me.

Two question though: What is NAC supplement? and
What is involved in radiotherapy? Is this sound therapy or am I mistaken and is it more like radiology, such as in cancer treament.

Could you please shed some light on these two questions for me?

05/19/2007 21:09
bstenman 
05/19/2007 21:09
bstenman 
Re: newly diagnosed

NAC is a supplement that is metabolized by the body into a substance that has been shown to be beneficial for some fibrosis disorders. It is also a great anti-oxidant so there are benefits in general in taking it as well.

Radiotherapy is traditional radiation for benign conditions and is covered on the website. My exposures were low radiation for 3 minutes each day for 5 days, a 2-3 month break for the body to recover, and then a second set of treatments.

This approach is being used to minimize calcification with hip replacements and to minimize scaring with surgery including cosmetic surgery and prostrate surgery so the concept is not new to the medical community.

In theory at a very simple level the radiation damages the underlying cells in the connective tissue that is not functioning properly and causing normal tissue to become more fiberous and produce all the visible effects of nodules and contractures.

If you send me an email at stenman@earthlink.net I will send you a paper on a study in PDF format. It is by Dr. Seegenschmiedt who has been treating patients with Dupuytren's disease with radiotherapy for more than a decade.

The people in Montreal can do the best job of explaining the procedure, risks, and rationale behind the radiotherapy treatment, and answering questions specific to how they provide the service at their hospitals.

Speaking only for myself, the procedure is very fast, painless, and I have had no side effects whatsover as a result. Of course it is early in my treatment and I have yet to receive the second set of treatments. Others on the forum have a longer period since their radiotherapy and can provide a much better picture of any possible long term complications.

As it has been impossible for me to gain any information on the Montreal facilities, any information you are able to obtain would no doubt be very helpful to others living in North America and interested in obtaining radiotherapy treatment closer to home. Please post any information you can.

Thanks,

Bruce

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