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07/24/2012 15:27
flojo 
07/24/2012 15:27
flojo 
Re: Personal experience

I agree, Moondanc. Makes me wonder, too. I'd suggest that you send pictures via email to Dr. Denkler for his opinion. Even if you can't or don't choose to use him, I know he will respond. He did many surgeries for Dupuytren's until he found out about NA. He also does Xiaflex now. He tries NA first because surgery can always be done later if NA doesn't work. He does NA most, Xiafles next most, and surgery for the few who opt for surgery or those whose contracture is very extreme. He successfully does NA on contracture of more than 90 degrees. He is very caring and takes all the time necessary to explain and answer questions.

Maybe Dr. Eaton would review your pictures via email, too, and give his opinion about your hand's potential for NA. Dr. Eaton was, I believe, the first doctor to start doing NA in the US.

Unless he had done NA, you probably really know more about NA than your surgeon. Traditional medicine in this country are stuck in the "wait until it is contracted" then have surgery or "it's too contracted for NA to work." If I had listened to the doctors I consulted including an orthopedist, my hand would have gone through unnecessary trauma with who knows what kind of results. Your hand may be different and nobody can make the decision but you.

Just a suggestion - try the email pic route with Dr. Denkler or Dr. Eaton. Both are listed in the NA List under the Treatment menu at the top of this page. You can't go wrong getting a second or third opinion, and if it is done via email, it is easily accessible and no cost.

Come back with questions anytime.

    07/24/2012 17:29
    moondanc 
    07/24/2012 17:29
    moondanc 
    Re: Personal experience

    flojo:


    Maybe Dr. Eaton would review your pictures via email, too, and give his opinion about your hand's potential for NA. Dr. Eaton was, I believe, the first doctor to start doing NA in the US.


    Hi Flojo-- I'm a longtime forum member. You're right about Dr. Eaton being the first with NA-- I first saw him in 2005 and he does do evaluations-- in fact I think it's required--from pictures. I've had NA with Dr. Denkler and I've also made 3 trips to see Dr. Eaton for NA, mostly recently last September on both hands. I've also had RT on both hands. I fear one of these days I'm going to have to have open hand surgery because I can't keep up this NA thing every couple of years.

    I wouldn't touch Xiaflex again with a 10 ft. pole. I had very stable Dupuytrens for 20 years in one finger only and after Xiaflex I now have an extremely aggressive case in all eight fingers. Last year when I saw Dr. Eaton he'd yet to use Xiaflex (I believe his office posted right in this forum) as he'd not yet found a suitable candidate.

    Moondanc

      07/24/2012 18:29
      flojo 
      07/24/2012 18:29
      flojo 
      Re: Personal experience

      Hi Moondanc,

      My Dups is persistent, but I'm so far able to keep up with it. I think I'll need NA every 2-3 years, but it's a breeze to me. Wearing the night splint has helped keep my hand stretched out.

      My left/other hand is ready for RT on the thumb, web, forefinger area, and out into the palm some. It is nothing like my right hand which had nodules forming all over my palm. My right hand fortunately has little contracture in the fingers, mostly my palm wanting to cup in.

        07/24/2012 19:30
        moondanc 
        07/24/2012 19:30
        moondanc 
        Re: Personal experience

        flojo:
        Hi Moondanc,

        My Dups is persistent, but I'm so far able to keep up with it. I think I'll need NA every 2-3 years, but it's a breeze to me. Wearing the night splint has helped keep my hand stretched out.

        My left/other hand is ready for RT on the thumb, web, forefinger area, and out into the palm some. It is nothing like my right hand which had nodules forming all over my palm. My right hand fortunately has little contracture in the fingers, mostly my palm wanting to cup in.

        I'm rotating the replacement of my body parts Next up is hip replacement in a month. I'm a bit worried abut the open wounds--infection of any kind is dangerous with hip replacement- I experienced with one of my RTs-- took several weeks to heal and having the same thing happen next time.

        I can handle NA every 2-3 years I think-- but not every year. Is your RT going to be covered by Medicare? Are you going back to Scripps? How many fingers does your splint cover? I stopped wearing mine after about 4 months because I had so many other things going on and it made it difficult to sleep. I'm thinking about starting wearing it again-- it covers 2 fingers-- my worst one, which is my pinkie and the ring finger--the original DD finger from 20 years ago.

          07/24/2012 19:48
          anderaa 
          07/24/2012 19:48
          anderaa 
          Re: Personal experience, question about radiation

          Mine is in both hands but very early (easy to spot because the rest of my family have had multiple surgeries. Also, I'm 70, so if I get 20 years it's good.

          The doctor I saw is determined that nothing can be done at this stage (a couple of cords, no contracture), and that there's no harm in continuing to shovel snow, etc. She only mentions surgery and collagenase, says radiation is "experimental."

          From what I've seen on this forum, the latter doesn't sound great. That NA would be the way to go if/when I get to that state. But that radiation fairly soon would be the right thing.

          So, where/how do I find someone in the U.S. mid-Atlantic? The Society lists a couple of NA people in Philadelphia, but not radiation.

          thanks

          Alison

            07/24/2012 21:49
            marigail 
            07/24/2012 21:49
            marigail 
            Re: Personal experience

            Dear Seph, Allison, et al......

            After reading so many of your postings over the past few days, I clicked on the link to find out where the doctors are who do NA. Not being excited about the prospect of surgery, and not really having gotten a "good" reason from my doctor as to why NA wouldn't work for me, I decided to start the ball rolling to get another opinion. I am not too terribly far from New York City, and there are two doctors there who do NA. One of those doctors has a website, which I checked, as well as other sites that gave some information. This afternoon I called his office. I was instructed to write up a narrative for the doctor (Dr. Keith Raskin--NY Hand Center), include several pictures of my hands and send them along. He will examine my history and the pictures. The gal I spoke with said that if he thinks I could be a candidate for this therapy, I would then go to his office and have a consult.

            I don't know where this is going to lead---I would be very happy if I don't have to have surgery---but whatever happens I want to thank everyone who has taken the time to post regarding NA. I will keep everyone posted. I was not going to schedule surgery until late fall (frankly, I have kept putting it off), so perhaps waiting will have been a good thing!

            marigail

              07/24/2012 22:59
              Lori-T 
              07/24/2012 22:59
              Lori-T 
              Re: Personal experience

              anderaa:
              Mine is in both hands but very early (easy to spot because the rest of my family have had multiple surgeries. Also, I'm 70, so if I get 20 years it's good.

              The doctor I saw is determined that nothing can be done at this stage (a couple of cords, no contracture), and that there's no harm in continuing to shovel snow, etc. She only mentions surgery and collagenase, says radiation is "experimental."

              From what I've seen on this forum, the latter doesn't sound great. That NA would be the way to go if/when I get to that state. But that radiation fairly soon would be the right thing.

              So, where/how do I find someone in the U.S. mid-Atlantic? The Society lists a couple of NA people in Philadelphia, but not radiation.

              thanks

              Alison

              Hi, I'm having radiation at Virginia Mason Hospital in Seattle WA. Dr. Kline (in Idaho) connected me with a radiologist in my area. You might be able to call Dr. Kline and get a referral from him. I have no contracture at this point, and he thinks I have an excellent chance of STOPPING my progression.

              Best of luck to you,

              Lori

                07/25/2012 23:33
                cokiwi 
                07/25/2012 23:33
                cokiwi 
                Re: Personal experience

                My Dad has had multiple surgeries on his hands over the years but found out about NA and had it done on one finger with Dr Denkler a few years back. It bent again, but not much. I had a pinky that was pretty contracted but I live in Colorado and no one in the state does NA. Looked in areas where my family lives (Arizona and KS) and found a Dr in Tucson, Joel Goode. Had it done last September, wore the splint religiously and by December could no longer wear it because my finger was too bent again for it to fit. It now is worse than it was last September, so was considering Xiaflex as there is a Dr in Vail that does it and it is 30 minutes from where I live.
                However, now I hear that recurrence happens with Xiaflex too! So I am wondering if I wouldn't I be better off with NA again? My insurance deductible is high enough it didn't cover it last time, and it cost me about $800 after it went through the insurance co, plus hotel and gas to drive to Tucson. The Vail Dr told me Xiaflex is about $3800 per shot and it usually takes two shots, but I will be covered by Medicare as of February.
                I just might have to try NA again. Except for the drive, NA seems to be much easier and less painful than Xiaflex. I didn't hear the cord pop the last time but the Dr seemed satisfied and it was straight for the middle joint. It was very quick and easy with no pain at all. The knuckle joint has not pulled in yet but I have lots of nodules still developing in the palm. I suspect it is still active and perhaps the NA made it more agressive. I am self diagnosed with Lederhose too, but not bad enough to do anything about it yet. I remember reading somewhere that having both may mean the Dupuytrens could be more agressive. My sister has it in her hands too, but only nodules at this point and it doesn't seem to be progessing as fast as mine.

                  07/26/2012 01:12
                  hammer 
                  07/26/2012 01:12
                  hammer 
                  Re: Personal experience

                  It dont matter which route you take at this point,once you get DD all stirred up from messin with it it just keeps coming.Ive read alot of post and been to alot of Doctors and all agree that if you mess with it via,NA,Xiaflex,Surgery there is a good chance it will get more aggessive.Just keep releasing them thats all you can do.Most cost effecive route is NA but it will be back.Xiaflex,it will be back.I had 4 surgeries in 3 years it came back.Just sayn.Dave

                    07/26/2012 01:21
                    cokiwi 
                    07/26/2012 01:21
                    cokiwi 
                    Re: Personal experience

                    I think I got it all stirred up with glucosamine anyway a couple of years ago, but it didn't stop when I stopped the glucosamine. I guess I will go the NA route again. From what I have read about Xiaflex, it seems painful and the NA was a breeze. I wish I could find a Dr closer if I am going to have to do it multiple times!
                    thanks Dave!

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