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02/26/2013 22:57
flojo 
02/26/2013 22:57
flojo 
Re: Personal experience

Steph, My experiences with NA were very much as you describe. A piece of cake for me!

    02/26/2013 23:23
    marigail 
    02/26/2013 23:23
    marigail 
    Re: Personal experience

    No, Brian, the xylaflex treatment was not fun at all. I had placed all my hope on it and my doctor kept encouraging me to wait until it was approved. In retrospect......but then again, hindsight is 20/20.

    Next to xylaflex, NA is a walk in the park. Because you can't really be numbed since the doctor has to know if he hits nerve, and you're the only one who will know......the first few pokes in are somewhat uncomfortable, but nothing---and I repeat---NOTHING like the xylaflex shots, which for me were extremely painful.

    As I mentioned before, my PIP joint had to be released. It was done under a nerve block and something that kept me just under (similar to what one is given for a colonoscopy.) I didn't like the feel of the block...that lasts overnight---not painful, just weird. But the pain level was easily able to be handled with just Advil. (Had a script for codeine---I chose not to take it.) Stitches were removed in 10 days, and since then I've been in PT.

    I hope you aren't going to have to resort to amputation. My doctor said my finger was one of the worst he's ever seen. I'm telling you, I've had to work extremely hard, but I'm completely functional now!!! And the braces...though not the greatest of comfort, have really done the trick. My palms are flat every morning---unbelievable. I know I'll have to use them---at least part-time for a long time, but it is so worth it.

    Can you NOT have more xylaflex treatments and perhaps try the NA on the other fingers?

    marigail

      02/27/2013 18:16
      Brian_PDX 
      02/27/2013 18:16
      Brian_PDX 
      Re: Personal experience

      Marigail,

      I am going to do both NA and Xiaflex since I have three affected fingers. I agree the Xiaflex hurts but it is more the needle than the drug itself, although both contribute. I am intrigued that NA in your experience hurts less. Other people have had local anesthetic with NA but it does seem different doctors have different procedures.

      Like you I have had PP release surgeries with palmar fasciectomies but the surgeries did not work. That was worse than just about anything. I was completely under general anesthesia. I had a nerve block to pin a broken finger years ago but had good luck with it and would do it again.

      As to amputation, I had my little finger on the left hand removed and don't relish losing more but I cannot use my right hand with the two fingers completely contracted and if NA/Xiaflex doesn't work I will have the two fingers removed at the PP joint.

      We will see the end of the month. Take care all!

        03/12/2013 15:15
        brianprice 
        03/12/2013 15:15
        brianprice 
        Re: Personal experience

        This is the 'other' Brian that had the Xiaflex on my left pinkie last October. Update - as it turns out because I waited so long to get the finger treated both joints are somewhat damaged and I have a 20 degree Boutonieres deformity. However - I can now play the violin and piano again which is what I was looking for. The pinkie started retrograding recently - so I've started wearing a day splint (I threw my night splint) - and that has reversed the curvature.

        Part of my pain level post procedure had to do with the doc really putting a lot of pressure on the finger and the joints to try to straighten the finger completely during the manipulation, which basically whacked the joints quite painfully. Then a splint on top of the joints to try to keep the finger 'straight'. I wound up in the ER because of the pain level - but it was all avoidable if the doc had known that my finger was never going to be straight for other reasons. Oh well - probably no way of knowing that prior to seeing the results of the injections.

        Next steps - I'm going to go back to Dr Verheyden the injection guy for a consult and then to Dr Kline for the same and decide what my options are for keeping the other two fingers with nodules from developing contractors. Maybe radiation, maybe Xiaflex, maybe cortisone shots.....I want to stay on top of this and now let these get bad.

          03/12/2013 19:52
          marigail 
          03/12/2013 19:52
          marigail 
          Re: Personal experience

          Hi Brian,

          I too had severe joint issues, but for me it was caused not only by the length of time I waited but because of the scarring caused by the xylaflex. I've had a PIP joint release and I'm working hard to get it the best it can be. I do have complete function right now, but it still wants to contract, but I'm also 3 months out of that surgery.

          If there is a doctor that is familiar with NA in your area, might I suggest a consult for that? It's not terrible, and so far the results have been good. Does require a night splint.....(which I'm also wearing part of each day to keep the pinky from contracting.)

          Whatever you do decide to do----my best wishes go to you in this everpresent battle against Dupuytren's!

            03/12/2013 21:39
            liberate 
            03/12/2013 21:39
            liberate 
            Re: Personal experience

            wow so much negativity.

              03/12/2013 23:13
              marigail 
              03/12/2013 23:13
              marigail 
              Re: Personal experience

              Negativity? I'm thrilled with my progress and looking forward to seeing just how far I can get this to go. For me, the xylaflex was harmful on many levels, but that wouldn't be the case for others. This forum is a sharing forum----telling it how it is, and I apologize if I came across sounding negative.

                03/12/2013 23:31
                brianprice 
                03/12/2013 23:31
                brianprice 
                Re: Personal experience

                Seems like there a variety of pre and post procedure experiences with almost everyone for any procedure. Hard to predict beforehand who is going to have what. My surgeries were not very intrusive and with little pain, but sometimes the condition came back very quickly - other times not. Xiaflex was extremely painful during and after - but 4 months later - reasonable results with no major side effects. It did what it was supposed to do.

                The remainder of my DT stuff is nodules - probably not candidates for NA - but I would consider that in the future. I would like to use therapies to prevent having to get to that point - so am considering Xiaflex (which Verheyden recommended), RT and Cortisone - mostly to just slow things down so I don't have to deal with the major stuff frequently.

                My understanding is that the Xiaflex requires sophisticated techniques which not all providers have - in order to get the best results. Even the manufacturer reps that work with docs don't have all the info, according to my doc.

                Although the Xiaflex was extremely painful during and after - I would consider it again. It's more repeatable than surgery for sure, as long as your body tolerates it well - which apparently is an individual thing.

                  03/12/2013 23:50
                  hammer 
                  03/12/2013 23:50
                  hammer 
                  Re: Personal experience

                  I am going for Xiaflex injection #7 on April 2nd.When I went for my follow up visit 2 weeks ago there was a Man who had his injection the day before and was in the room next to me.They were taking my vitals and what not when all of a sudden we heard a blood curdling scream from that other room.His name is Dale and I got to talk to him.It wasnt the manipulation that made him scream it was the lidocaine injection.That is the worst part of Xiaflex treatments.Your hand is so tender from the Xiaflex,you cant hardly look at your hand without it hurting.I know when its coming now but it still hurts but its no longer a surprise like the first time.Its over pretty fast and well worth the discomfort.Dave

                    03/13/2013 00:02
                    marigail 
                    03/13/2013 00:02
                    marigail 
                    Re: Personal experience

                    Wow the lidocaine was absolutely painless for me----the worst was the actual xylaflex injection the first time. Amazing how the treatments react differently with us all!

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