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Side-effects of radiation
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05/20/2012 01:02
callie 
05/20/2012 01:02
callie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

That second sentence, "The evidence on efficacy is limited in quantity and there is uncertainty about the natural history of early Dupuytren’s disease, which makes evaluation of the effect of the procedure difficult"

is what would make it so my insurance wouldn't cover it. The cost quoted for my RT ($13,650) they said, was more than they have been covering for surgery. They said there wasn't enough conclusive evidence that it was overwhelmingly a positive experience. They wrote a five page denial to me and didn't give me much of an angle to make another appeal. I gave them copies of the available studies and several pictures.

05/20/2012 02:53
cindy850 
05/20/2012 02:53
cindy850 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

Don't know where you live but come to Missouri and use my doctor. I quoted my price on this topic a couple of pages back. Love my doctor and he is half that in price.

05/20/2012 03:45
Maddie 
05/20/2012 03:45
Maddie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

Callie, does your insurance company require preauthorization for RT generally? I always recommend that unless the policy says preauthorization is required for a specific treatment, that people NOT check with their insurance company in advance. I think it is a lot easier for them to say no before you've had the service. Plus, afterwards you have the provider on your side to fight for you, because they want to get paid.

Also, have you given them copies of Prof. S's studies? (The doctor in Hamburg) I think there are copies or links to some of his papers on this site.

I have had RT for Dups three times now and my insurance (Blue Cross) has paid each time. I did have to appeal one time, but the provider filed all the paperwork for me.

I think we all should fight this trend, because its absurd for insurance to not pay for the only known treatment that can prevent progression.
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Maddie

Edited 05/20/12 06:47

05/20/2012 15:01
callie 
05/20/2012 15:01
callie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

You asked, "have you given them copies of Prof. S's studies?" Yes and they made several references about the study in that it did not offer enough evidence to be considered (small sample size).

For the amount involved, it wasn't/isn't worth the chance for me to have RT without the prior approval from insurance. I will just have to wait to see how my Dupuytren's develops. Perhaps this initial activity will not progress beyond the nodule and start of cord stage. If it does, I'll have surgery at 40 degrees. I waited too long before (90+ degrees).

05/20/2012 17:46
Maddie 
05/20/2012 17:46
Maddie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

Obviously as individuals we each have to make the choice that is right for us. But collectively I think we should fight this type of argument from insurance companies, because it is BS. There are many many medical procedures that have not been subjected to rigorous clinical trial but are still covered by insurance because they are considered to be "standard medical practice." Some of them are not particularly effective and can even be harmful. When I discussed this issue with Prof. S, he said "where are the clinical trials for surgery for Dups?

I am not suggesting that you do anything differently, Callie - of course you meed to take the course that you feel is best for your health and finances. But I hope that Dups and LD patients as a whole continue to challenge the insurance companies on this. They will eventually have to give in because it is clear this treatment works, and there is both a logical scientific rationale and significant empirical evidence .

05/20/2012 18:38
callie 
05/20/2012 18:38
callie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

But that is exactly the primary reason they turned down my appeal.

You said, "There are many many medical procedures that have not been subjected to rigorous clinical trial but are still covered by insurance because they are considered to be "standard medical practice."

Their exact comment was, "We consider radiation for Dupuytren's Contracture to be experimental and investigational as this is not a standard practice in the United States". How can I argue against that when there is almost zero information of documented success in the United States? I would love to be able to cite a series of supporting evidence, but I cannot.

05/20/2012 20:44
Maddie 
05/20/2012 20:44
Maddie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

I think there are lots of arguments one could make, including published studies from Germany (which have been presented at medical conferences in the U.S. ; the many highly reputable medical institutions and radiologists in the U.Swho have been performing this procedure for years now with successful outcomes; the similarity to RT for other benign conditns that I would presume they cover (such as keloifs B5ut I think the fact that you haven't had the procedure yet puts you at a disadvantage. It would help if you could get your (potential) provider to weigh in.

Sorry for the typos above - writing this on my phone which doesn't interact too well with this forum.

Maddie

05/20/2012 21:01
cindy850 
05/20/2012 21:01
cindy850 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

Have the doctors office file it the right way and they know how to do this and that way the ins. only looks at codes and not the reason you are having RT. and let them file it and it will go through for the simple reason the doctors want there money. Just come to Missouri and do it here and then the ins. company knows they will not be pouring loads of money out for this and then they will do it. Just do it. I did.

05/20/2012 22:59
callie 
05/20/2012 22:59
callie 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

My provider has been involved throughout this. They have filed the appeals along with mine. They have used the codes that have been used by others. The whole situation comes down to the issue that there are no studies that have been done in the U.S. that are satisfactory for their criteria that it is other than "experimental or investigational". I have no leverage. If the costs were not so high, I think there might be a difference in their attitude, but that is only a guess.

05/20/2012 23:24
cindy850 
05/20/2012 23:24
cindy850 
Re: Side-effects of radiation

Did you happened to see what i paired at my doctors? Its a few pages back but tis on here. Because of the price and because of my deduct they paid. Maybe the problem is the doctor that your seeing. Some offices that have these people in billing and filing ins don't care and don't know what they are talking about. And on the other hand it is a waste of time to talk to ins. unless you absolutely have to have referral or approval. Check your deduct and the other 2 things i mentioned and then go find a different doctor that will do this. And i don't want to noisy but what is your ins. and is it a p.p.o. At the time i had treatment i had Conventry and they suck and they paid. Now i have a A.A.R.P. Atena and when i filled my info out to get approve for this ins. i put down D.D. and because they go back and check old ins. company about your medical i ask do you all pay for radiation. Her answer was yes even know they had no studies it was in their price range for this. And that was just us chatting about enrollment. please check my prices and you will see a big difference.

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