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05/01/2013 18:38
lina 
05/01/2013 18:38
lina 
Update

Hi everybody,

I posted some questions on this forum about a month ago, and got many kind replies. So I thought i'd give you a little update

I went to see dr Ilse Degreef yesterday in Leuven (thanks Wolfgang, for the tip! Luckily I was able to get an appointment on a short term!). Unfortunately, she confirmed it is Dupuytren (the diffuse form, which Tusk already suggested) and Ledderhose on my foot.

She is against radiotherapy. According to her not enough research has been done and side effects could be harmful.
She asked me to keep her up to date and she will start treatment (injections, most likely) as soon as I can't stretch my fingers anymore. She thought I was 'an interesting case' haha!

In the meantime, I'm getting more and more little nodules in both palms of my hands and also some knuckle pads.
No cords so far!

I have to go and see a reumatologist as well, to get a full check up.

So well, I just have to keep fingers crossed & hope that things will not worsen too soon!

Thanks all a lot for your advice & kind replies! All the best wishes for all of you!

Lina

05/01/2013 20:18
yosh01 
05/01/2013 20:18
yosh01 
Re: Update

Lina,

I had both DD and LH rapidly progressing on one hand and one foot. I had RT at the University of Minnesota and now, almost 18 months later, the marble sized nodule in my foot is all but gone and there is only a hint of a nodule in my hand.

My RT doctor did a lot of research herself and came to different conclusion about the safety and effectiveness of RT than your doctor. I would get a second opinion if I were you.

Tom

05/01/2013 22:53
Tusk 
05/01/2013 22:53
Tusk 
Re: Update

Hmmm. I know she is a highly qualified hand surgeon with a lot of experience with DD but at the end of the day, her logic against the use of RT to treat DD sounds like 95% of the hand surgeons. I had a German hand surgeon, who practices in Alabama, tell me point blank, "Do not get radiation treatment, it will give you cancer." Personally, after getting RT, and reading this board for over 3 years, I would advise you to try and find a way to get RT. If that is not totally successful you still have the all the other options available.

Of course you will have to make up your own mind, considering the advice of your doctor, and others can jump in here, but there has been a lot written about side effects of RT and all the speculation that goes with it and she is right that not enough is known but I haven't seen anything to indicate RT would complicate later surgery if it was needed. Everything is anecdotal. There is plenty of medical literature to show the cancer risk from RT is practically nil. I maintain that there is no real downside to having RT, other than the cost of course.

I have very aggressive DD (diathesis) in every finger and thumb but I only have contracture in one little finger. I don't think RT stopped everything for me but it did slow things down, it did "kill" some nodules and three years later I still haven't had any other intervention so far. I am glad I had it.

Best wishes Lina

05/01/2013 23:05
Vikingorigins 
05/01/2013 23:05
Vikingorigins 

Re: Update

When surgeons comment on the risks and side effects of RT, why don't they compare it with the risks of letting DD progress rapidly, multiple surgeries, eventually difficulty to walk or even amputation... I started DD approx a year ago, i now have it in both hands, both feet, and many knuckles. I got RT for one hand and both feet. I don' t think it is reasonnable to ask a person to take the risk of not getting RT.

05/02/2013 07:08
lina 
05/02/2013 07:08
lina 
Re: Update

Thanks for your responses...I was half expecting some protest as I've read quite a few positive comments on RT on this forum. It makes a bit nervous though, I have to admit. At the moment I still don't really believe that I have DD and LH, even though I went to see a specialist. I see some lumps in both hands and some thickening at the knuckles, and especially my left hand is 'funny' and maybe even a bit painful, but I can still stretch all my fingers and do practically everything with my hands. And there are no cords. So it seems so radical somehow to start radiation now, so unreal. I feel like saying: 'well, let's wait and see what happens first, shall we?' But I know that is maybe naive and stupid.

Sigh.

And my GP (I went to see another one than usual, as I had an urgent & mysterious infection on my leg two weeks ago) was quite positive that I have Reumatoid Artritis. I was very shocked she said that, I have to say. It seems a bit premature. On the other hand, she is a GP with a lot of experience. So she urged me to make an appointment with a reumatologist, which I did - but unfortunately that's not until the 8th july...

Sigh again.

05/02/2013 13:24
callie 
05/02/2013 13:24
callie 
Re: Update

You said, "I feel like saying: 'well, let's wait and see what happens first, shall we?' But I know that is maybe naive and stupid."

There is nothing "naive and stupid" about giving this some time to see how this develops.

05/02/2013 15:25
cschieber 
05/02/2013 15:25
cschieber 
Re: Update

Hi Lina. I hope you find that you don't have DD or LD or RA. When I started seeking a diagnosis I had no cords and no nodules on my palms. Just one big knucklepad on my index finger RH and some deformation. Within a year I developed another, even bigger knucklepad on my middle finger LH. The first rheumatologist told me to take glucosamine which may have caused the second knucklepad, who knows. The orthopedic doctor suggested another rheumatologist. He ordered blood work and xrays, both normal so RA was ruled out. Next, ultrasound, which was inconclusive. He finally sent me to a hand surgeon for a biopsy thinking it might be pre-rheumatoid nodules. She took one look and said Dupuytrens. Honestly, as bad as my DD is, I'm so thankful it wasn't RA. July seems a long way off but it'll be here before you know it. Good luck.

05/02/2013 22:20
stephenp 
05/02/2013 22:20
stephenp 
Re: Update

There is nothing wrong with a wait and see approach.

Most GPs and hand surgeons are not familiar with the latest data on RT. I too shared your concerns about cancer from RT but after further research, reading the latest publications and discussing this with the radiologist, came to the conclusion that the cancer risk was only marginally increased, especially given that 1/3 will get cancer in our lifetime anyway.

If you do have DD and it is active, aggressive and causing considerable discomfort, RT is worth serious consideration.

05/03/2013 09:14
lina 
05/03/2013 09:14
lina 
Re: Update

Thanks all for your comments.. I will just wait a bit for now and see what the rheumatologist says.
I really appreciate all your replies & information. It helps!

05/06/2013 15:24
LubaM. 
05/06/2013 15:24
LubaM. 
Re: Update

Lina,

I totally agree with the "wait and see" approach to make sure, and by all means see a reumatologist before making any decisions, but don't postpone RT for too long especially if you have Ledderhose. My personal feeling has always been "you can live with DD and affected fingers, but you don't want to take a chance of your Ledderhose progressing and not being able to walk". Surgeries on your feet are more complicated and prone for recurrence.

I have DD in both hands and LD in left foot, and the RT I did on foot and one hand in 2009 was very successful in stopping the progression of the LD in my foot... the two hard, large nodules on the bottom of my foot are 90% gone.

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