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05/19/2009 23:25
beamer1
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05/19/2009 23:25
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Re: vegan diagnosed
Wasabi: Thanks so much for the info. I will spend time during the coming days to check out all of the sites you mentioned. Can't help but gain some useful help from these. At this point, I am willing to try almost anything within reason for help.
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05/20/2009 00:55
SteveAbramsnot registered
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05/20/2009 00:55
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Re: vegan diagnosed
I would simply suggest that not all diseases are either caused by nutritional imbalances nor cured by changing one. 's diet. The origin of Dupuytren's is at this time unknown; suggestions that it is caused by diet are just that, suggestions. A sample size of one (the alkaline study), even with a control, is scientifically untenable.
This site as been an excellent source of information - it is where I found out about Dr. Charles Eaton, who subsequently successfully treated me. I would hate to think that it would lead some to risk trying unproven nutritional regimes, rather than seeking treatment from a trained hand surgeon.
Steve Abrams
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05/20/2009 07:03
wach Administrator
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05/20/2009 07:03
wach Administrator
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Diets and Dupuytrens
Steve,
we don't want to censor posts on this forum, at least not as long as they are decent. We trust that patients use their own judgement. With regard to diets our web site says "So far reports of successful diets provide only anecdotal evidence, no sound statistics and no comparison to control groups. We therefore consider diets as experimental and remind patients that diets may have severe side effects."
Personally I agree with your comment that Dupuytren's is most likely not caused by a diet and cannot be cured by a diet. That wouldn't exclude that a diet can bring some relief or improvement. But diets are typially unbalanced and might be dangerous, so your really need to be careful.
Wolfgang
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05/20/2009 10:09
wasabipixels
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05/20/2009 10:09
wasabipixels
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Re: vegan diagnosed
Having studied nutrition for several years I can assure you my diet is no where near extreme, risky, or imbalanced.
Having said that I will admit my diet previous to my most recent change included many boxed products, what I would call the lazy mans informed vegan diet. As most know we don't always practice what we preach or do what we know is best for us.
Example of foods I use to eat in one day: Breakfast: Soy milk with 2 cups of kashi cereal with raisens, almonds, and walnuts added on top. 1 banana
Lunch: Frozen burrito (Amy's brand) Large slice of 9 grain bread with organic peanut butter another piece of fruit
Dinner: Amys canned soups or other frozen dinner foods Another large slice of bread
Random through day: Tons of water soy ice cream if I happen to cook for myself "the foxes favorite Udon" with some tofu thrown in.
I am simply doing what I should have been doing all along, eating more raw, and slightly warmed vegetables, fruits, legumes, nuts, seeds, and grains.
Example of foods eaten in one day now: Oatmeal with almonds, pumpkin seeds, and walnuts on top
Fruits: Tomato banana apple pear cherries berries (several types) grapes kiwi
Vegetables: asparagus Romain Kale spinach collard greens green beans snap peas sugar green beans beats achoi dandelion greens spring onion ginger garlic avocado
Grains: still eat that 9 grain bread once in a while soba noodles
Other: some soymilk natto kimchi miso tofu mushrooms (several types) water green tea (brewed from whole leaves)
And this is an average day for me now, eating one serving of each of these foods. I fail to see how this is not healthy. As I start to increase my physical activity I will increase my calories taken in as carbs and proteins taken in. A lot of this food isnt cooked, and if it is then it does its still very crisp just warmed and eaten with raw foods.
While you suggest diet might not work against DD I have been planning this switch for a while now as I wanted to be sure I would get everything I need each day. Having done more research into "alkaline" diets I came across alan pratt who had DD but reversed it with dieting and primarily detoxing through fasting, a step I have not taken and will research more before trying.
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05/26/2009 03:26
wasabipixels
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05/26/2009 03:26
wasabipixels
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Re: vegan diagnosed
UPDATE:
The other day I ate something I shouldn't have not thinking of my list of acidic/alkaline blood foods and within 30 minutes my hands started to hurt. It was then I remembered I shouldn't have eaten it and rushed to make something which would alkalize my blood again, in this case green tea and a natto dish. 20-30 minutes after eating this the pain was gone . . .
To ensure it wasn't a fluke I tested it again a couple days later and sure enough pain started and left as above.
Not really willing to test it again without tying me down because i know when it hurts its growing and i don't want that. Going to order a strong blender and fine mesh to make juice to try the fasting mentioned before after clearing it with my doctor. Will update if I see any changes.
Also on a side note, my mother is 4 points into "high level" of sugar and is turning diabetic. I told her to adopt a vegan diet but she wont have any of it. If only I could get her to stop eating dairy I have a feeling a lot of her problems would go away. . . . oh well. And if anyone is curious she is only 20 lbs over weight, where as I have always been bellow the recommended BMI for my height no matter what I eat (even before I was vegan).
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05/26/2009 19:14
ABRnot registered
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05/26/2009 19:14
ABRnot registered
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Re: vegan diagnosed
I would like to thank wasabipixels for the posts. I'm glad to see that discussion of diet and it's affect on this disease is part of the dialogue, and if anyone is making a difference with their diet - it's well worth it to consider.
The type of diet that wasabipixels is talking about is similar to the ones that are recommended to anyone seriously interested in cleaning up their health and their metabolisms. Vegan type of diets do have an affect on how the body functions and ages and are pursued for many reasons. To think that they don't have an impact is also to think that we can spend our lives eating sugar and junk food and our bodies will not be affected.
I have altered my diet toward removing acidic and inflammatory foods and I do feel a difference - especially eliminating sugar. When I eat things that are not healthy for me, I also feel it in my hands. It might take a few meals, but it adds up and before I know it my hands start aching.
I would never say that this problem was caused by diet and I am not really thinking that a diet can cure it, but if we are pursuing all medical means to slow down or reverse the progression of this problem, why not start with what you eat???
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05/26/2009 19:49
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05/26/2009 19:49
deeproot
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Re: vegan diagnosed
Does this diet contain any gluten? Gluten is derived from wheat. I know of people who are on a gluten free diet for allergies. Just curious?
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05/26/2009 20:51
wasabipixels
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05/26/2009 20:51
wasabipixels
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Re: vegan diagnosed
It can contain gluten but its not as refined as other gluten products.
Wheat berries and whole rolled oats are the only grains I am really consuming regularly. BUT I have found a way to cheat, if I want say udon noodles, (made with rice, salt and water) since rice produces an acidity in your blood when digested all you have to do is eat alkaline foods at the same time. Like seaweed, shitaki mushrooms, leaks, onions, carrots, all of which commonly accompany udon to begin with :)
So yeah I still get some gluten but I am trying not to eat processed foods, I have even started to switch my udon for soba noodles, which I can even make myself. But it would be best to just eat the whole grains vs the flour.
I might make my own "flour" when I get a vitamix blender from beans, and of course my wheat berries.
What I do know is this, you NEED to have grains in your diet if your vegan and you have to eat them within 12 hours of having eaten other plant sources of protein. This is to make it easier on your body to use all said proteins to make what meat eaters have labeled "complete proteins."
Its really not a hard "diet" and if you think about it its not a diet its how we should be eating to begin with. That is more raw foods, as they come to us from the earth.
On the comment of allergies most people find their allergies halt of subside when they go vegan. I personally used to be very allergic to just about everything outside. Now I laugh inside when I see tons of pollen dust and everyone around me who are not vegans suffering from it while I breath deeply.
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06/22/2009 19:51
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06/22/2009 19:51
bstenman
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Re: vegan diagnosed
It is clear that Dupuytren's is a genetic disease and the result of a bad choice of parents and not diet. People have different ancestors and different dietary needs based on that. People of African heritage whose ancestors were herding tribes are fine with milk but often cannot handle wheat products while others with African ancestors who were farmers may be able to process wheat but cannot process milk proteins. No surprise here. The mistake is to presume that what is a healthy diet for one individual is therefore a healthy diet for everyone, and this includes a vegan diet.
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06/22/2009 20:18
wasabipixels
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06/22/2009 20:18
wasabipixels
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Re: vegan diagnosed
I never stated it was a result of a diet however my DD is reseeding slowly and the only thing I can contribute this to is my diet.
I was thinking the other day too . . . a vegan diet is good for fighting cancer and free radicals isn't DD just a bunch of cells running away and multiplying when they shouldn't be, that is a type of cancer?
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