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06/04/2005 23:38
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06/04/2005 23:38
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NA

I'm pleased to inform you that Dr Eaton does have an NA study under way. It's my understanding that it is due to be completed sometime in 2006.

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09/16/2005 23:29
Broken Arrow

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09/16/2005 23:29
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NA

Does anyone know what partof the country Dr Eaton is located in

09/16/2005 23:19
Hammer head

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09/16/2005 23:19
Hammer head

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Dr. Eaton

Dr. Eaton
The Hand Center
1002 S Old Dixie Hwy, Suite 105, Jupiter FL 33458
Phone 561-746-7686
FAX 561-746-3420

11/21/2005 23:50
bob 
11/21/2005 23:50
bob 
The Long Answer

does anyone know the sucess rate of needle aponevrotomy for dupuytren's disease

11/22/2005 23:21
Randy H.

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11/22/2005 23:21
Randy H.

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The Long Answer

"Success rate" is a term that only has meaning when results are measured against what has been the Gold Standard of medical intervention, and that is "Open Surgery." As such, NA compares favorably in terms of overall correction, lack of side effects such as nerve damage, and length of recovery.

The down side, and the real question to be answered, is rate of recurrence compared to OS. All indications are that it will be higher. The question is *how much*, and is it worth it when NA's positive results are compared to OS.

The other wild cards are that NA can be repeated far more than OS, and that NA does not hamper OS later on, should that option become more attractive in any given patient. Not so in reverse. OS leaves scaring than can make NA impossible.

Therefore, an argument can be made that the best general long term approach is to start with and repeat NA until such time that OS becomes the better option. The best guess by the doctor currently most experienced in *both* procedures is that NA will be indefinitely sufficient in well over 50% of all new cases of Dups. If true, this would render OS to the court of last resort. In other words, NA may be able to successfully cope with the disease well enough to avoid the need of OS in the majority of people. Being far less invasive, NA is the initial treatment of choice

11/25/2005 23:41
John Brys

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11/25/2005 23:41
John Brys

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NA v fasciectomy


I have had, in all 8 fasciectomy and 1 NA. The best result by far has been the treatment using NA. Since I live in Denmark (where the authotities do not believe in NA treatment) I was forced to seek help in France. I contacted Clinique de la Main, 36bis, rue Nicolo, 75116 Paris.
Tel: +33 (0) 140722888 and spoke to a dr. Arielle Salon who treated me on the 2nd December 2004. The treatment took 20 minutes (usually it takes only 15) apparantlly mine was a severe case. This was done under local aneasthetic.
A year on the finger is still as good as new, and there is no sign of regression.

All the other fingers done by invasive surgery have regressed to such an extent that my hands are like claws.

I also have the problem that the scar tissue that forms post op. is extremely hard and sensitive.

Can any body help me on that point???



The operations I have had using the surgical appraoch has been a disaster. The contracture came back within months and I have constant pain in both hands. The most recent case was an operation I had done on the 8 February 2005 and the only time my finger was "straight " was under the operation as contracture started to come back almost immediately. After 9 months by finger is more than 90 degrees bent and the wound is still not healed. This is playing havoc with my golf.

11/27/2005 23:46
Randy H.

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11/27/2005 23:46
Randy H.

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Here is Why

"Why isn't this standard procedure?"

The two most significant reasons stated by CHS are as follows:

1)Because the procedure is “blind” (the surgeon can't see beneath the skin) unacceptable rates of nerve damage are assumed.

This assumption has proven to be unfounded. The “eyes” of the surgeon is the verbal feedback from the patent who can easily tell when the needle is close to a nerve. NA has proven to be *far* safer than OS in terms of nerve damage. Eaton's clinical data proves this beyond any doubt whatsoever.

2) A predicted unacceptable rates of recurrence with NA Vs OS. Full Open Surgery was designed to remove all the diseased tissue in the effected hand as well as release the contraction. Anything less than 100% removal leaves the door open to recurrence.

The jury is still out on this one, as the most respected clinical data will come from Eaton in 2006. I doubt he will be doing long term (5 year) followup, which is what will be required to publish the results. Instead, Eaton will be presenting his short term data at nest year's CHS Convention.

As evidenced here, there *are* a number of people for whom recurrence is a significant issue after NA. One poster told us that Eaton refused to continue doing NA on him and recommended OS. However, others reporting here do not seem to have a significant recurrence issues after NA. Unfortunately, most posters here have had NA less than three years ago, so we just don't about long term yet. Fortunately, NA is easily repeatable. OS is not.

Steve, I'll bet you'd be willing to sit on a plane for 22 hours every two years (or so) to keep your fingers straight. Am I right? Until more surgeons realize that their two objections are unwarranted, that's what we *all* must do.

11/27/2005 23:00
Sam in PA

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11/27/2005 23:00
Sam in PA

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Nerve Damage

Randy H.

Can you please provide references to prove that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA? That seems hard to believe based just on common sense. How can surgery - where you see everyone - cause more nerve damage than an NA procedure where the doctor cannot see things? Honestly, that's a reach. Is there proof or published studies?

If not and I never found them, then your posts are not really thin ice. Please help me and provide some real, hard data. Without that, your claim that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA is without basis.

Please respond.

11/27/2005 23:02
Sam in PA

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11/27/2005 23:02
Sam in PA

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Nerve Damage

Randy H.

Can you please provide references to prove that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA? That seems hard to believe based just on common sense. How can surgery - where you see everything - cause more nerve damage than an NA procedure where the doctor cannot see things? Honestly, that's a reach. Is there proof or published studies?

If not and I never found them, then your posts are on really thin ice. Please help me and provide some real, hard data. Without that, your claim that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA is without basis.

Please respond.

11/28/2005 23:29
Randy H.

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11/28/2005 23:29
Randy H.

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Zip is a good number.

Sam,

No thin ice here. It's frozen over:

Lets start with the French study with over 2,000 hands:

http://assoc.wanadoo.fr/f.badois-dupuytren/html/gbdangereux.html

So, you want studies "published" in respected American Journals? Yes, that *is* the catch22. Without 5 year follow up with rates of recurrence, *nothing* is publishable. With NA less than 3 years old in the US that, by definition, is as yet unavailable. However, I recommend you call Dr. Eaton's office and ask pointedly what his rate of nerve damage is with over 1,300 procedures done.....Zip.

Compare *Zip* with the standard rate of nerve damage for OS. The French say it is about 5%. Eaton would have needed 60 to compete with that. Zip is quite a bit less.

Every patient going for a PIP with OS with a good CHS will be warned of a chance of irreversible nerve damage. Why do you think that is?

I don't have the definitive American study if the rate of nerve damage under OS. Perhaps you can find one. It will be somewhat > Zip.

Nerve damage is the great bugaboo in this surgery for good reason. Eaton has shown that NA avoids this issue. Notes of his clinical presentation in 1006 should be forthcoming.

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