All,

It seems that we still addressing the question as to whether surgery causes more or less nerve damage than NA. There have been some heartfelt posts expressing personal experiences and believes. Certianly, we all respect that.

But, the question is still: does surgery cause more nerve damage than NA? I think the answer is that its a the wrong question to ask and no-one can say that this is true or make that claim. If we don't know this to be true, then its a gross disservice to be proclaiming this as a fact. Its not a fact and if surgery is performed on cases more advanced than those for NA, its an improper comparison and further weakens the claim that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA. It just makes no sense and there is no data to support it. And, at the end of the day, there has to be proof. Sorry folks, but that's just the real world.

As for Randy? Well, he likes to pick fights with people. I've read many, many of the posts and he is always fighting with one or multiple people. He called me "Sean" for some weird reason. I'm not Sean and he seems to have an issue with Sean, so the reference was meant to be an insult. How strange.

Well, if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its duck! Randy likes to fight with people and since he sounds like a bully, he's a bully. I'll stand by that.

Can we address the question?

All,

It seems that we still addressing the question as to whether surgery causes more or less nerve damage than NA. There have been some heartfelt posts expressing personal experiences and believes. Certianly, we all respect that.

But, the question is still: does surgery cause more nerve damage than NA? I think the answer is that its a the wrong question to ask and no-one can say that this is true or make that claim. If we don't know this to be true, then its a gross disservice to be proclaiming this as a fact. Its not a fact and if surgery is performed on cases more advanced than those for NA, its an improper comparison and further weakens the claim that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA. It just makes no sense and there is no data to support it. And, at the end of the day, there has to be proof. Sorry folks, but that's just the real world.

As for Randy? Well, he likes to pick fights with people. I've read many, many of the posts and he is always fighting with one or multiple people. He called me "Sean" for some weird reason. I'm not Sean and he seems to have an issue with Sean, so the reference was meant to be an insult. How strange.

Well, if walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, its duck! Randy likes to fight with people and since he sounds like a bully, he's a bully. I'll stand by that.

The question is still there. Can anyone proof, real proof based on data that surgery causes more nerve damage than NA?

Clearly the answer is no.

Now that's all bad and does not mean NA is not a valid treatment. All it means is that one should not elect because people have proclaimed on this site that NA does not cause nerve damage. That statement cannot be defended.

Is there any proof to support this claim? If there is, please share it.

As Jesus said to Pilate, "What is proof?" (proof, truth, whatever!)

Wouldn't it be easier on everyone concerned if we used the phrase, "suggests" or even "strongly suggests" instead of "proof"?

Isn't that a wonderful example of a vivid forum? To make it even more interesting, shouldn't we take into account the possibility that all these comments have been posted by one and the same person and that in reality Randy = Sam ?? Imagine!

Alternatively we could follow Steve's recommendation, stop commenting on people's characters, "move back to factual discussions of the disease and its treatment", be happy that we have people like Randy supporting this forum and people like Sam occasionally questioning generally believed statements.

At the end of the day it does not really matter whether surgery results in more nerve damage than NA or not. Both are valid therapies and we should be glad to have them both as options. If you want to see an anecdotal example of someone who had only surgery available then have a look at http://www.dupuytren-online.info/history_stefan_horn.htm. Only suggested for people with strong nerves.

Wolfgang