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The Unavoidable Detail, $$$
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11/04/2003 23:39
Steven B

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11/04/2003 23:39
Steven B

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The Unavoidable Detail, $$$

Can anyone tell me the cost of Dr. Eatons services? I've understand that Dr. Badois charges approximately 180 euro ($200 or so). If Dr. Eaton is significantly higher in price, maybe flying to Paris is a better choice.

11/04/2003 23:24
Sean 
11/04/2003 23:24
Sean 
Off Topic

Steven,
Of course it is cheaper for the same procedure in France. The United States is the most expensive country in the world for just about anything you would want to buy. Our standard of living is higher than just about anywhere. Our workforce demands the highest wages. It is why most of our corporations are looking overseas and across the border for cheaper labor. We have higher litigation awards and higher environmental costs. So if you can save a few bucks, go to France if that is what you want to do. It is your choice.

11/04/2003 23:31
Walt Stagner

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11/04/2003 23:31
Walt Stagner

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Cheaper in Paris?

I suppose that's ONE way to look at it. If you're planning a European vacation or love France, then sure, is probably a better deal. If you're not, then calculate the total cost of your time, air fare, etc....then decide. Now that "we all" have what we've wanted for the past 5 years, let's not "blow it" by boycotting the proverbial "hand" that's feeding us for a measly few hundred bucks! Plus Dr. Eaton has actually provided everyone with the insurance code that THOSE OF US WHO WENT TO EUROPE never benefited from (not that I personally cared).

For my $ Dr. Badois is the best thing about France and I'm happy to pay him whatever his fee is. Just remember IF you fly to France you'll be sharing your hard-earned $ with others who could care less about you and only want your $.

11/05/2003 23:24
jim h

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11/05/2003 23:24
jim h

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A Lousy Twenty Bucks?

My second surgery involved 2 fingers, so needle aponevrotomy from Dr. Eaton would, if I understand correctly, cost $1200. My insurance might pay some fraction, or nothing - it's hard to find out in advance.

One big advantage of NA is that it's repeatable if you've had recurrence a year or two later. Many people say - no problem, I'll do it every year for the rest of my life before I'd go through surgery again. But at $1200 plus air fare and hotel each time... maybe the equation changes.

I do realize that as an American surgeon, Dr. Eaton must pay exhorbitant malpractice insurance premiums and the cost of clerical staff to push mountains of insurance paperwok.

I was in Paris for a week a couple years ago and enjoyed it...

11/05/2003 23:27
Randy H.

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11/05/2003 23:27
Randy H.

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A Lousy Twenty Bucks?

Sean, what's the deal? Now that NA is available in the US, you go into Prevent Defense? Excuse me for an interpretative paraphrase of your last post, but you might as well have said:

"OK, so you're going the NA route. Fine. Just fine....but don't take your business to that lone pioneering American surgeon, Dr. Eaton. Take your $$$$ off these shores so you don't encourage further encroachment of traditional surgical procedures here in the U.S. Oh sure, I'd "consider" NA, but if you're actually going to DO IT, don't help create a viable choice to traditional surgery here in the U.S. Let's continue to keep it an Off Shore, Off Brand, Off The Wall, French Thing. Please don't bring it here, available to all Americans and their medical insurance. Please No!"

I've done the math. Now it's only about how many hours you want to sit in an airplane. That's it. That's all. And now suddenly you wax poetic on the "American Cost of Living" and advise those who would choose NA to fly to France? What a patriot, always looking out for the interest of Americans who suffer the outrageous fortunes of Dups!

I've listened patiently for five months as the apparent Hot Heads among us have accused you of everything from being disingenuous, to outright dishonisty, to manipulation and a pronounced pro-surgery, anti-NA, bias. I've gone back and fourth as I consider the veracity of their claims. I've tried to see you as an independent contributor with no hidden pro-surgery agenda.

But Sean, now you've done it. You've advised an American who chooses NA to consider getting on a fourteen hour flight to Paris to save a ? Please.....give me a break. What are we to think? Don't give us your usual "I'm not against NA" speech. For God sake man, you'd fly our friend Steven to France for the same procedure he can get here in the states?????

11/05/2003 23:18
Sean 
11/05/2003 23:18
Sean 
Idle time

Randy H,
You must have entirely to much idle time. That was a great story you made up. How does that help this forum?

11/05/2003 23:17
jim h

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11/05/2003 23:17
jim h

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Dr. Eaton

Leaving the "Freedom Fries" aspect out of the discussion, it comes down to whether one's insurance will pay for U.S. treatment. The game as played here seems to be that the provider submits a large bill knowing that insurance companies will routinely allow some fraction of it - then they meet in the middle somewhere and the patient is not billed. This is called "accepting assignment" and normally happens if the surgeon has entered into a "provider" agreement with the insurance company. If he has not, then it is up to him to accept what the patient's insurance company offers, or bill the patient for the balance.

Many health care providers routinely accept assignment for Medicare patients, but if you aren't on Medicare yet things get more complicated.

11/05/2003 23:38
Charlie 
11/05/2003 23:38
Charlie 
Dr. Eaton

As you know, I have an appointment with Dr. Eaton in January. His fee is $200 for the office visit and $500 for the NA. I live in California. I booked a flight to Florida yesterday for $288. A car will be about $150. Motel and food should run about $300. That is a total of $1088. The insurance company (Blue Cross) tells me they will pay about $250 or so. In my mind, a trip to see Dr. Eaton is a bargain. Until NA comes to the west coast I will be a regular patient of Dr. Eaton.

11/05/2003 23:03
jim h

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11/05/2003 23:03
jim h

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Dr. Eaton

Charlie,

Are you having just one finger worked on?

Yes, flying from California to Paris would be a brutal experience.

I think it is absolutely terrific that Dr. Eaton has made the effort to bring this technique to the U.S. I'm disappointed that it's initially so expensive, but I expect that as more surgeons pick it up, and insurance companies learn about it, things will improve.

11/05/2003 23:25
Charlie 
11/05/2003 23:25
Charlie 
Dr. Eaton

Jim
I am having Dr. Eaton doing NA on a PIP contraction on my little finger. I called my insurance companty. I told them I was having a percutaneous fasciotomy. Dr. Eaton lists NA as a percutaneous fasciotomy. Insurace said fine, that was listed in their book. They will pay about $250 or so because Dr. Eaton is not a preferred provider with them and because they think about $250 is what it is worth.

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