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08/14/2003 23:02
Mary Beth & Richard

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08/14/2003 23:02
Mary Beth & Richard

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Tom,
OK, the AMA probably does destroy competition. But...
how do we combat this? They are probably not the place to
start. Don't you think the insurance co's. who pay the
bills and ultimately make the decisions is the place to
start? That's what we think, go to the source and you may
find the solution. If it is needed, we can go to the
political arena.

08/14/2003 23:24
jim h

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08/14/2003 23:24
jim h

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

In Europe, NA is performed by rheumatologists. Those of us in the U.S. are dealing exclusively with surgeons, none of whom express any interest in NA. Maybe some American rheumatologists could talk with their French peers and become advocates for NA.



08/15/2003 23:53
Mary Beth

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08/15/2003 23:53
Mary Beth

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Jim,
Your statement of "those of us in the US are dealing
exclusively with surgeons" is so relevant to our discussions
on this forum. Maybe the field of rheumatology (sic?) is
the answer. I don't know, but there definitely needs to be
a primary care physician for DD that is not a surgeon, be-
cause honestly (and fairly) surgeons perform surgery. A
doctor who is knowledgeable about the disease needs to be
the first reference. If that Doctor then refers to a sur-
geon, fine. That surgeon should still be able to offer
surgical/procedural options. However, some with the disease
may never make it to the surgeon.

08/15/2003 23:00
TOm

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08/15/2003 23:00
TOm

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Hi Mary Beth & Richard, I think the insurance companies would be a good place to start but don't know that dupuytren's suffers have the clout. From my understanding the insurance companies were one of the factors that prevented the AMA from eliminating chiropractic as a viable alternative (they and their version of Gary/Sean are still trying though!). The insurance companies stuck by chiropractic since it works and gets people back to work quicker than the allopaths can, thereby a more cost effective solution.

I'd also like to say that I enjoy your postings and applaud your efforts.

08/16/2003 23:57
Mary Beth & Richard

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08/16/2003 23:57
Mary Beth & Richard

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Tom,
Thanks, we've also followed your postings. You have
obviously been an active participant on the forum for some
time and seem to think along the same lines. Will email
you about the avenues we are pursuing. We firmly believe
the insurance route is the way to proceed. As far as DD
Sufferers not having the clout, who knows? There seem to
be more people we either come into contact with or hear
about with this disease that would ever have believed. My
(Mary Beth's) older brother has just developed it. That
brings our immediate family total to 4. (In two different
family trees now.)

08/16/2003 23:48
Sean 
08/16/2003 23:48
Sean 
Insurance companies

Insurance companies have a whole staff of medical advisors. They already have given considerable thought to what you are discussing. They are not about to support a procedure not as yet accepted in the U.S. and most of the world. It has to start in the medical community which is decades away(training, medical schools etc.).

08/16/2003 23:54
Mary Beth

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08/16/2003 23:54
Mary Beth

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Dupuytrens Sufferers United

Tom,
Is he addressing us?
Mary Beth

08/16/2003 23:54
Jake

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08/16/2003 23:54
Jake

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Sean

Pleez crawl back into your cave!

08/16/2003 23:39
Randy 
08/16/2003 23:39
Randy 
My View

In my view, this is what is working against us: When a patient presents with DC, any well trained physician will automatically refer to a surgeon because that's the ONLY option they know of. And unfortunately for those of us with a more aggressive form of the disease, many have one surgery later in life and NEVER NEED MORE CARE!
If multiple surgeries were the norm for the vast majority of sufferers, alternatives would be seen as more necessary. As it is, however, about 50% of us get cut, recover, and never look back. I am not endorsing surgery, just looking at some of the facts surrounding the status quo.

On the bright side, a viable and effective alternative IS being tested and pursued by The Establishment in North America. Should it be successful it may well open the door to other alternatives (like NA) once the surgical strangle hold is finally broken. I realize if I keep bring this up around here I'll eventually be labeled a possible shill for BioSpecifics, but it's surprising to me how little their work is mentioned on the very web site they are paying to keep on the air. Some of the eloquently stated reservations about collagenase injections sound a lot like Sean when he's putting down about NA! Let's have a little American can-do optimism. (Maybe I just haven't had this disease long enough to be pessimistic)

I think the party line should be to boycott surgery, encourage all to seek NA, but root for the successful outcome of FDA Phase III injections.

08/16/2003 23:02
jim h

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08/16/2003 23:02
jim h

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Insurance

I agree with Randy, up to a point, that BioSpecifics' enzyme injection may be the future. But I've been following the Biospecifics' story for about 3 years now and have seen very little visible progress. They were on the edge of bankruptcy until recently, have now obtained some new funding and the endlessly-delayed Phase III trials might actually start this year.

I also agree with Sean that while insurance companies have a lot of clout, they don't propose new treatments and it's up to medical professionals to push for NA acceptance. I don't think that push will come from the hand surgeons.

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