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02/12/2005 23:30
Michael

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02/12/2005 23:30
Michael

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NA in palm


Randy, thanks for answering. But just to make sure I understand, let me reiterate. You say that:

1) When in NA is performed on a finger - that is, on the tendon between the MCP and PIP joints - it has no effect on the dup's tissue that may be built up on the tendon that leads from that same MCP joint into the palm

2) But NA can in some cases be performed directly on the palmar tendons. Is palmar contracture prerequisate for NA in the palm, or is it only necessay to have a certain thickness of dup's growth? Isn't most contracture in the fingers?

- MML

02/13/2005 23:24
Randy H.

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02/13/2005 23:24
Randy H.

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My Understanding.

MLM:

Take a look at all of Eaton's before and after NA. A number of them show, by way of the marks, where he intends to rupture cords with the needle. Some are in the palm. As you can see even the *palm* can become contracted. I'm no expert, but from what I've ascertained, if by stretching a finger *or* the palm back straight you can "snap" a cord, then NA can be applied to that area. Otherwise, no.

Does disrupting a *finger* cord have an effect on a *palmer* cord? That's a good question, and one I'm likely to have answered when I see Eaton in few months. I have no idea. But at the end of the day what counts is straight fingers and hands......that stay straight, not excess Dups tissue that is not growing or causing pain. *That* is the Holy Grail here. May you find it.

02/13/2005 23:31
mm

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02/13/2005 23:31
mm

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NA in palms

Dear Colin,

I have moved up the thread 'For British Patients' because it has info on how you might be able to claim NA and get some of your costs reimbursed.

mm

02/13/2005 23:06
Michael

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02/13/2005 23:06
Michael

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NA in palms


Thanks Randy. The reason I pose these 'palmar' questions is that I suffer from soreness in my right palm, which is I guess a result of dup's growth on the tendons. However, so far at least, there's no contracture. It'd be great if they could NA 'em so my palm could get comfortable - but I guess they can't. I'm praying for Collagenase! - MML

02/13/2005 23:54
Randy H.

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02/13/2005 23:54
Randy H.

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Collegenase

Michael:

Me too. We need as may options as we can get. However my guess would be that when (and if) Collagenase is available it will "indicated" only in cases of contracture releases, not pain by itself. The whole idea is to dissolve just enough dups tissue to be able to snap the cord (as does NA mechanically). You are probably right, however, that in theory it *should* be effective in dissolving pain-creating palmer tissue as well. They just aren't heading in that direction at the moment. Hopefully they will.

02/14/2005 23:00
Michael

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02/14/2005 23:00
Michael

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Collegenase


Randy,

Yeah, it's a shame that all current treatments require the Dup's to have progressed to a fairly advanced contracture before action can be taken. It'd be so much better if something could be done before it reached that point.

As you say, on the face of it, there seems no reason why Collegenase couldn't be used in that way. I wonder if a seperate set of clinical trials would be necessary.

- MML

02/14/2005 23:26
Randy H.

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02/14/2005 23:26
Randy H.

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Collegenase

You've got me thinking.............Since all or our diseases usually start with a palmer lump and *then* progresses with cords, if we knew we were at risk, the lump(s) could be treated *before* cords began to form. This would be a *proactive* treatment rather than reactive. In War you always want to destroy the enemy's fighters *before* they get airborne. Could Collagenase be used to nip a new lump in the bud and keep the whole disease process at bay?

02/14/2005 23:01
jim h

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02/14/2005 23:01
jim h

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Collegenase

Maybe, but I doubt it. The current application of collagenase has been to inject just enough into a cord to weaken it so it can be snapped mechanically (i.e. by force). They're not using it to arrest the disease or attack the underlying biochemical problem in any way. They're very cautious about injecting more than is absolutely necessary because it could dissolve good tissue, too.

As I've posted before, I doubt we'll ever see this drug on the market and if we do, it might be more expensive than NA with no additional benefit.

Has Dr. Eaton ever commented on this?

02/14/2005 23:10
Michael

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02/14/2005 23:10
Michael

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Collegenase


Jim,

I don't think anyone has ever claimed that Collegenase can cure Dup's. But it is supposed to dissolve Dup's tissue, and I don't see why in principle it couldn't be used to remove or reduce it before contracture occurs. Also, it might be used on diffuse Dup's tissue that NA can't really attack.

- MML

02/16/2005 23:30
Margaret 
02/16/2005 23:30
Margaret 
NA procedure

I had the NA procedure in November, have had 6 surgeries in the last 20 yrs. Have Dupuytren's in both hands. The NA procure has stopped the progression of it gettin worse , but has now started to go down again, quite a bit. Will have to send photos to Dr.Eaton to let him see. My regular hand surgeon says that I've a very aggressive case of Dupuytrens. Good Luck to all of you.

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