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Ledderhose~sq~s/ Dups
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06/29/2005 23:13
Patty

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06/29/2005 23:13
Patty

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Ledderhose~sq~s/ Dups

I have a friend, that told me about her foot problem, as she was talking, I realized she had Ledderhose's disease. I asked her to show me her hands, and low and behold, she has cords in both hands. Pretty amazing, as at this point I am going through all of this Pain and stiffness, and she has cords and no symptoms. I did tell her, that is what she has, and not cureable, and it will take it's own time.
Funny how it does effect each person. She is of Irish background. I am a Scott.
Well, here I am , doing my massage three times a day, to looseing up the stiffness, and it works ( from the OT guy), and here she is, with these cords, and feeling nothing. Mine has gone now to the base of the finger, and up into the finger. I have done extensive PT on this. Massage does work, if you do it several times a day. Nothing will stop it.
I think, I am in the last stage of being where I have to make a decision. Surgery, or , Dr. Eaton.
Help me out here, as the surgeon, tells me that the NA will cause nerve damage. I don't think so
Helpfull thoughts will be welcome.
Thanks, Patty

06/30/2005 23:59
Graeme

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06/30/2005 23:59
Graeme

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NA nerve damage

Patty there are numerous threads on this site addressing potential NA v OS nerve damage.
There are many of us who have had OS and have nerve damage. When I advised my own surgeon of NA and what he thought he said he wouldn't like to do the NA procedure because of the potential for nerve damage. I then said to him that his last operation on my RH ring finger had caused permanent nerve damage and I therefore would be happy to look at NA.
I have two friends who have had OS and they have permanent nerve damage. Scarring has noticeably developed over time for two of us and this a worry.
On the other hand as also previously stated some peoples complaint necessitates OS

06/30/2005 23:37
Randy H.

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06/30/2005 23:37
Randy H.

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Here is Why

Patty,

Glad to hear you getting some help!

As a few of us have been saying, it is very common for CHS to raise the issue of nerve damage when asked about NA. This makes sense, as being able to *see* what they are doing is central to their training and practice. It took an non-surgeon to devise NA. I doubt a surgeon would have.

So, how can this "blind" procedure actually be safer than OS? The answer lies in the fact that, unlike OS, the patient is quite alert and ready to inform the doctor if the needle is getting close to a nerve. Trust me, when I felt it I told Eaton immediately, completely ruining a fine musical passage of a favorite oldies song being piped in. He removed the needle and took another tack. If the doctor is slow and methodical (CHS will be great at this), and the patient is actually concerned for his well-being, it's hard to mess up.

From my informal interview with Eaton three months ago, the Proof will be in the Clinical Pudding that will be reported to his colleagues in 2006. And sure, even though he will have overwhelming clinical data to show the safely and effectiveness of NA, CHS will not be flocking to it like Pigeons after Bread Crums.

However, I'm hopeful he will interest just enough of them to turn the tide. By this I mean, Eaton will be able to teach NA without fear of legal entanglements and it will spread even faster than it is now. It will then take it's rightful place along side OS as what I believe will be, in *most* cases (not all), the first line of defense.

06/30/2005 23:44
Patty

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06/30/2005 23:44
Patty

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Thanks Randy and Graeme

Yes, I would think, that would be the case. If you are not all doped up, and can say " Ouch" The nerve damage will be limited.
As with you, the surgeon has Warned me about nerve damage.I however, am thinking that the NA is the way to go. He was agian telling me how this Surgery works, and said he will put it off with Steriod injections in the future. Mine is progressing very fast now, even though the massage seems to pull me out of it each day. The PT works for a bit.
I just think, the NA has much more promise for a healthy hand , than what he was telling me would happen. He was honest....Cut here, Cut there...Bad news. He is totally against the NA.
Wonder what he will do, if I go to Florida, and go back to him, and show him the results? Around here, this man is the Best there is.
Anyway, if I don't do the massages, my hand is locked up, but, not just to open it, making a fist is bad too, so, I still have a tendon problem from the trigger finger. I can work it to the point, that I feel normal, for now.
Thanks so much for your answers, and input.
Patty

07/01/2005 23:01
Randy H.

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07/01/2005 23:01
Randy H.

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~dq~all doped up~dq~

Patty,

I don't care if the guy walks on water. If his problem with NA is a presumed unacceptable rate of nerve damage, he is currently uninformed. Sure you could show him your results, but one case proves nothing. How does he know that you were not just *incredibly* lucky? You could tell him Eaton and others are at well over 1,000 procedures. Nothing to loose. Does anyone have a report of NA Nerve Damage? Ruptured tendon?

Look, these are hard Science and Stat guys. "Show me the Data" is the Mantra........as well it *should* be. 2006 Baby, then we'll see. By then 2,000+ procedures will make a pretty good sample size. Pretty hard to ignore.

07/01/2005 23:13
Graeme

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07/01/2005 23:13
Graeme

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~dq~all doped up~dq~

Patty
you are misinformed by the using phrases like "all doped up". The NA proceedure is simple outpatient exercise performed in less than an hour. A low dose local anaesthetic is administered to the area to worked on. The dose is effective enough to give the patient some comfort but will not be of a sufficient dosage to "deaden" the area and prevent feedback by the patient to the treating Doc. Thus for the proceedure to work effectively the patient MUST NOT be "doped up".

I hope your own surgeon didn't use this phrase with you.

Dr Eaton's site does give a lot of info on his proceedure.
I would suggest you might phone his office administrator to get further information on these types of points. I'm sure they would be pleased to be of assistance to you.

07/01/2005 23:41
Patty

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07/01/2005 23:41
Patty

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Dopeing up

Graeme
You misunderstood my statement. I was saying, I did not want the surgery that cut up my hand, and gave me anesthetic to dope me up. I would rather go to Dr. Eaton, and have it done in that manner. Sorry I did not make it clear.
I am very close to having it done. I am in a position of therapy each day to loosen it up. But, I am dealing with a tendon too at this point, and the question is, how much is the tendon problem and how much it is the Dups.
Sorry I did not make myself clear on that . Thanks for your responce.

07/01/2005 23:53
Patty

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07/01/2005 23:53
Patty

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Randy~sq~s Post

Thanks Randy, for your post. Makes alot of since. You are awake, and can say what you feel, and keep the nerve damage at bay.
That really makes alot of difference in my thoughts. If I were to be under, and in surgery, and having my hand cut up, I would have NO say. but , if I am awake, and in the NA procedure, I do have a say, if they were to hit a nerve.
You helped me alot with this. Thanks so much.
Patty

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