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04/04/2006 23:23
mark winter

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04/04/2006 23:23
mark winter

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Dr Hunter-Smith

I have twice emailed Dr Hunter-Smith - several weeks ago and several days apart - asking about NA treatment and whether he has yet been to France - and have not even had the courtesy of a reply to either which is a bit of a worry and hardly professional.

04/19/2006 23:05
Paul Bernasconi

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04/19/2006 23:05
Paul Bernasconi

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Dupuytren Contraction

After being diagnosed with DC, I am most impressed with the information and feed back on treatments and results for DC.
I would appreciate any feed back and details on the Paris Clinic, with recommendations from those who have been treated and their results.
Would enjoy another trip to Paris, for treatment and another romantic experience!!!

04/24/2006 23:45
GWB

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04/24/2006 23:45
GWB

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Dr Hunter-Smith

Seems the good docor in Melbourne is not interested in the business. I emailed him twice as well and like you had no response. Interesting to say the least.

05/29/2006 23:31
GWB

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05/29/2006 23:31
GWB

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Dr Hunter-Smith

I finally received a reply from Dr Hunter-Smith and he sent me a General Information Letter which I will share with you below. I've already booked for Paris but his might interest others.

Dupuytren’s Letter (18/04/2006)


Thank you for your enquiry regarding Needle Fasciotomy for the treatment of Dupuytren’s Contracture.

I am a Reconstructive Plastic Surgeon with a special interest in hand surgery and microsurgery. I have been in private surgical practice for 11 years. I work pubically for the Peninsula Health Care Network at Frankston Hospital and Rosebud Hospital, and work Privately through my offices in Mornington. I operate Privately at Beleura Private Hospital and The Bays Hospital Mornington. I am a Fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons and a Member of the Australian Sociecty of Plastic Surgeons.

Dupuytren’s contracture is a disease that can usually be controlled but not cured. Traditional surgery involves the removal of the disease (fasciectomy) and reconstruction of the skin either with Z-plasties (local flaps), or skin grafts (usually full thickness)

A fasciotomy is a procedure designed to divide the Dupuytren’s band or cord, without removing it. Fasciotomies have been performed for decades. The French have devised a novel method of dividing the fascia using a bevelled needle (needle fasciotomy).

This procedure has been used extensively throughout France and Europe and has gained some popularity in the United States.

I was introduced to this technique by a patient who had travelled to see Professor Badois in Paris. He had had a successful release of his Dupuytren’s band using the needle technique.

His disease had recurred and he sought treatment locally.

I investigated the technique and read the available literature. It must be emphasized from the outset, that treatment with needle fasciotomy has a higher recurrence rate than traditional surgery.

I have been performing the “needle fasciotomy” technique now on selected cases since February 2004. I believe that this procedure is most suited for patients with slowly progressing disease that is predominantly affecting the metacarpophalangeal joint (knuckle), with little or no disease of the distal digit. It works best for an isolated Band of Disease in the palm to one or two digits.

I have treated over 30 patients and have been pleased with the results. At this stage I have had no nerve complications. I have had two patients that have had significant skin splitting, requiring skin grafting to these splits.

My routine practice is to splint my patients post-operatively for a few days and I recommend that patients have follow up hand therapy by an accredited Occupational Hand Therapist.

During the healing phase, the scar tissue that forms between the two ends of the divided band, may lead to an early recurrence. Because of this it is important to wear a night splint for three months.

Disease that is rapidly progressing, involving the skin, and/or extensively involving the proximal interphalangeal joint (middle joint of the finger) are usually not suited for this technique.

I have performed the procedure both in the office setting under local anaesthetic, and in the operating theatre with regional or general anaesthesia.

I plan to visit either Paris or Florida (Dr Eaton) in the next 12 months but at this stage have not made a formal date to do so.

Please find enclosed information regarding making an appointment and an estimate of costs for treatment with needle fasciotomy.


Yours Sincerely,



David Hunter-Smith.

































If you wish to proceed with making an appointment with Mr Hunter-Smith you will need a referral from your General Practitioner.

There currently is a 5 – 6 month wait for an Initial Consultation. Our contact phone number is 03 5976 3522.

The usual procedure is for you to have a consultation with Mr Hunter-Smith and then book any appropriate surgery at that consultation.

If you are travelling from Interstate, we may be able to book you in for a consultation and the procedure at the same time, but request that you forward on a brief history and current photographs of yor hands via e-mail. We can then get back in contact you regarding a date.

An estimate of fees is as follows:

Initial Consultation (104) Subsequent Consultation (105)

Fee: $125.00 Fee: $70.00
(Medicare Rebate: $62.95) (Medicare Rebate: $31.60)
(Out of pocket: $62.05) (Out of pocket: $38.40)


Estimate for Surgery (per session)

1. In rooms

Theatre Fee: $250.00
AMA (46366): $285.00
Total Fee: $535.00

(Medicare Rebate: $94.10)
(Out of pocket: $440.90)

Hand therapy: Initial consultation - $60, Subsequent consultation - $50,
Splint approximately $60
(Some of these costs may be refundable if you have Extras on your Private Health Insurance.)

2. Operating Theatre

David Hunter-Smith – Will bill health fund direct with patient gap of $400.00
Anaesthetist – Approx $335.00 (out of pocket approximately $150.00)
Hospital Fees – Any excess applicable on your level of cover is payable on admission.

Hand therapy: Initial Consultation - $60, Subsequent Consultation - $50,
Splint approximately $60.
(Some of these costs may be refundable if you have Extras on your Private Health Insurance.)


Ancillary procedures such as skin grafts or formal treatment may incur further expenses.

06/02/2006 23:21
Graeme

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06/02/2006 23:21
Graeme

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Hunter-Smith

Thanks for you efforts to find more on Dr Hunter-Smith.
Interestingly Hunter-Smith was encouraged to enter the field of NA through a patient who had NA from Dr Badois. Same way as Dr Eaton's introduction - patient knowledge and instigation and not from within medical-professionl ranks.
Hunter-Smith sas he began doing NA in February 2004, which was very soon (just a few months), after Denker and Eaton.
The H-S letter mentions his practice of doing NA under General Anaesthesia which presumably removes the patient/Dr communication needed for possible needle nerve penetration. Hmmmm?
H-S discloses he has had two *significant* skin splits *which required skin grafts*. Hmmmm?
I would feel more comfortable about seeing him after he observes practices in Paris or Florida.

07/03/2006 23:01
GWB

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07/03/2006 23:01
GWB

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Dr Lermusiaux

Off to Pa

07/03/2006 23:03
GWB

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07/03/2006 23:03
GWB

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Dr Lermusiaux

Off to Paris tomorrow. Will report back with results when I get home.

07/03/2006 23:43
Randy H.

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07/03/2006 23:43
Randy H.

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God Speed GWB

The whole spread of NA outside of Europe has been almost entirely patient driven. Dr. Keith Denkler, who is now #2 behind Eaton with about 350 procedures, learned about NA right here on the Forum.

It's exciting to learn that a form of NA is being done in AU. I say a "form" because the feedback loop from the patient is critical to avoid nerve damage. This will be explained to Hunter-Smith when he goes to Paris. (Eaton still will not instruct personally.) His current approach explains why he feels NA is far more limited than all the other practitioners do.

The PIP *is* more dangerous because of the nerve bundles, and I did need to tell Eaton he was close to a nerve. Without patient feedback like this, Eaton would not continue to have zero nerve damage in 2,500 procedures. Without instruction, Hunter-Smith's work will not be as safe *or* effective as it could be. Unlike Eaton, both Press and Denkler have given personal instruction.

07/10/2006 23:34
GWB

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07/10/2006 23:34
GWB

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Dr Lermusiaux

Just got back from the second day's treatment with Dr Lermusiaux. I am just totally flabergasted. I was told it was good but I really didn't expect the results to be achieved could be as good as this and so visible straight away. You walk in with bent fingers and walk out with straight ones. Sort of like a Macdonalds but for surgeons. At the moment I have one sore hand( the one done yesterday) and one numb one today, both bandaged, but hey, both with straight fingers. What I wasn't expecting was the sound that accompanied the snaping of the cords. You could really hear it loud. My daughter got it all on video, albeit a recording on a digital camera. I drove there and back both days without a problem (except for the bloody French drivers).Anybody who considers this treatment as rubbish needs a neurosurgeon not a hand surgeon. Will be back on Sunday and will report in how it is all going.
GWB

07/10/2006 23:48
Marjorie

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07/10/2006 23:48
Marjorie

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French driving

Dear GMB,
Great to hear your news though as Dr L treats me I am not surprised at the outcome. What did surprise me was that you drove, from where to where?, in Paris!!! Nobody drives in France, they just aim at the nearest opening with their hand on the horn and pray. Try using the metro and trains next time, no problems and always on time and safer.
Brilliant news,
Marjorie

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