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12/15/2005 23:31
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12/15/2005 23:31
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Suggestion for Sam
Hey Randy,
What a great post. You've been an amazing spokesperson for NA, thank you so much for all the work you have done.
Frances
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12/15/2005 23:37
Ray K.not registered
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12/15/2005 23:37
Ray K.not registered
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Suggestion for Sam
Sam,
You could be a VERY EXCELLENT resource for this forum. Here's how:
Obviously you are very pleased with the results of your open hand surgery for dups.
Many others haven't had such great success. WHY DON'T YOU TELL US WHO WAS YOUR SURGEON THAT DID A GREAT JOB.
And I'd also encourage others who have had excellent results with open surgery to list their surgeons as well.
That way, those who are not candidates for N.A. or would prefer open surgery could at least locate surgeons that seem to have good track records for Dupuytrens surgery.
P.S. Your manners on this board have been quite unnecessarily rude and argumentative in the past , which greatly injures your credibility.
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12/15/2005 23:02
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12/15/2005 23:02
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Your Doctor
Randy,
I only asked for the name of the person, because you name-dropped him with the intention to validate your statement. To just say I met a very important so-and-so is just not good enough. If this individual was willing to tell you what you say he said, then he or she certainly would not mind an acknowledgement.
I resent your comments toward me. I find you rude and have noticed that you take issue with a lot of people, particularly "Sean", whom I'm not.
If you want to use an expert to make a claim, then you have to be prepared to name that person. I have never said my surgeon is better than anyone else nor have I made any reference as to his view of surgery vs. NA.
I think a good rule for the forum is that is you want to name-drop, you have to drop the name. Since you won't idenfity this person, then it seems to me that you made this up and your post is likely a lie. Was that clear enough?
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12/15/2005 23:00
SusieQ
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12/15/2005 23:00
SusieQ
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Reply to Jey
Jey, Thanks for supplying Dr. Denkler's website address.
Bit by bit we'll put the pieces together.
Revised list to follow.
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12/15/2005 23:10
Gene Kingmannot registered
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12/15/2005 23:10
Gene Kingmannot registered
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Sam is Too Silly
Sam, in my opinion you're being just too silly.
You musst have some kind of a thing on Randy. Why do you pursue him relentlessly with this ridiculous drivel?
I think it would be bad form for himm to name his doctor. We already know that the procedure the doctor performed has given him trouble, which does not mean that the doctor did anything wrong, but it would still be tacky to name him.
If YOU want to believe Randy is making everything up THAT IS YOUR RIGHT. But many of us on this board appreciate his efforts and do believe it and THAT IS OUR RIGHT.
Its particularly ridiculous that you are making up "rules" like if you name drop you have to say who it is. You may possibly be a bully (who knows) but you're not in charge of making up rules forhow Randy should or should not present things.
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12/15/2005 23:14
SusieQ
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12/15/2005 23:14
SusieQ
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N.A. List Update w/Dr. Denkler~sq~s website
LIST OF DOCTORS OFFERING NEEDLE APONEUROTOMY* TREATMENT FOR DUPUYTRENS CONTRACTURE IN U.S. (Updated 12/11/05)
please let us know of any corrections or additions
FOR INTERNATIONAL DOCTORS PERFORMING N.A. see: http://perso.wanadoo.fr/f.badois-dupuytren/html/liste.html
*(N.A. is a minimally invasive outpatient procedure for Dupuytrens which effectively breaks the cords which cause contraction of the fingers, thereby releasing them. The procedure has been available in France for many years with an excellent safety record and was introduced in the U.S. in 2003 by Dr. Charles Eaton. Since then a number of other doctors have begun offering N.A. to their patients as an alternative to open hand surgery.
Drs. Eaton and Kline both have informative websites (see below). Dr. Eaton's site contains some information which is more technical, and Dr. Kline's own experience with Dupuytrens adds a personal touch.)
KEY: FT = FRENCH-TRAINED
Charles Eaton, M.D. and Paul Zidel, M.D. (FT)
CERTIFIED HAND SURGEONS
The Hand Center
1002 Old Dixie Hwy, Suite 105
Jupiter, FL 33458
Phone: 561-746-3420
http://www.handcenter.org/newfile16.htm
David Kline, M.D (FT)
BOARD CERTIFIED EMERGENCY ROOM PHYSICIAN
Dupuytren's Clinic
Holy Rosary Medical Center
351 SW 9th St
Ontario, OR 97914
phone: 208-344-5628
http://dupuytrenscenter.com/
William Bourland, M.D.
CERTIFIED HAND SURGEON
The Hand Clinic
1068 Cresthaven Road, Suite 400
Memphis, TN 38119
Phone: 901-259-1600
bourland@orthomemphis.com
Keith Denkler, M.D. (FT)
CERTIFIED HAND SURGEON
275 Magnolia
Larkspur, CA 94939
Phone: 415-924-6010
info@aestheticsurgery.com
http://plasticsurgerysf.com/dupuytrens/
Gary Pess, M.D. (FT)
CERTIFIED HAND SURGEON
Central Jersey Hand Surgery
2 Industrial way West
Eatontown NJ 07724
Phone: 732-542-4477
handman@doctor.com
http://www.centraljerseyhand.com/dupuytren.htm
Prosper Benhaim, M.D.
CERTIFIED HAND SURGEON
(does NA in Los Angeles, CA)
Contact Information:
Hand Center: (310) 794-7784 Information and referral
(310) 825-7001 Information
Terrence J. Barry, M.D. (FT)
ORTHOPAEDICS BOARD CERTIFIED
3802 NE 207 St #2302
Miami, FL 33180
Phone: 305-822-6000
Fax: 305-557-5904
Drtbarry@aol.com
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12/16/2005 23:48
Sam in PAnot registered
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12/16/2005 23:48
Sam in PAnot registered
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Experts
To Susie Q:
It is so hard to ask direct questions on this forum without getting slammed from every direction.
That said, I think it is a very good idea and I only recommended this idea if any of us are going to post a statment quoting an expert that it include a name, or perhaps better, the hospital or practice that they are affliated with. I actually the latter better as that keeps some degree of privacy. Almost every doctor or CHS is afflilated with some hospital or practice and they take questions.
But, its just not right to post a statement meant to influence others without some backup to it. I mean after all, it could be a nonsense statement and completely made up. How can we know otherwise? That's a reasonable question to ask and while I have my opinions, I have never posted a message saying I spoke a "leading CHS and he said". I would love to hear from backup to this statment and want to believe its correct.
What is wrong in asking for that simple piece of critical information?
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12/16/2005 23:36
SusieQ
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12/16/2005 23:36
SusieQ
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Grand Slam Sam
Sam,
I'm perplexed that you address your concerns directly to me. I'm trying to stay above the fray and help people get information about options for Dups treatment.
Regarding your statement that you are being slammed from every direction, my perception is that you are the one who has been slamming others in a very inappropriate way.
In fact when I presented information about the technique of N.A. you referred to me as violent and immature and (VERY RUDELY) told me to "go away."
This gives me the impression that you are not sincerely interested in either sharing or receiving information, but rather, for whatever motive, you are trying to discredit those who are validating the Needle Aponevrotomy procedure, which is helping many to avoid unnecessary suffering.
Randy's point, that there has been a lot of resistance to the acceptance of N.A. by traditional hand surgeons is a valid one, which has been expressed numerous times by many on this forum. Others who have mentioned this have not named the M.D.s who had a negative attitude toward N.A., and neither should Randy.
IF YOU ARE REALLY AFTER ANSWERS LET ME REFER YOU TO DR. DAVID KLINE'S WEBSITE:
www.dupuytrenscenter.com
He has Dupuytrens disease and he states very clearly that two local hand surgeons he consulted never mentioned the N.A. option.
However he did his homework, found out about N.A., and had the procedure done in France. He has also had French training and now offers N.A. in his practice.
In my opinion his website is excellent. I believe that the material he presents is factual and accurate, and reflects what many on this board have been expressing in their own various ways.
If you use his website as a cross-reference to what Randy and others are claiming, I believe it will validate the positive claims that are being made about N..A.
I hope you will find Dr. Kline's information reassuring and that you will go in peace and have a wonderful holiday as well.
Susan
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12/16/2005 23:13
Randy H. not registered
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12/16/2005 23:13
Randy H. not registered
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A Cut and Paste, Word for Word
I have sent the following to Dr. Eaton,
Dear Dr. Eaton,
I met with Dr. ******* last week last week, who you referred to as a "Class Act". I took the opportunity to show him the before and after pictures of the right ring PIP you treated with NA last April. He measured it at five degrees of bend. So far there is Zero recurrence. Dr. ****** had already become aware of your work with NA, as there are a growing number of surgeons following your lead, one out of UCLA.
I asked him if the would attend your presentation in 2006 and he said he would. Naturally his main concerns are with recurrence and risk of nerve damage. However, it would appear he was already aware of the safety record you have achieved in over 1,300 procedures. Considering the difficulty I had with my first Open Surgery, he is now recommending I continue with NA as needed.
On the down side, I forgot to "Say high from Charlie" as you had asked. However, it would appear your work is beginning to get the attention it deserves. Many of us in the Dupuytren's patient community are looking forward to any news regarding your upcoming presentation.
Thanks again for your pioneering efforts that have already made a significant difference in my personal quality of life.
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12/17/2005 23:13
Sam in PAnot registered
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12/17/2005 23:13
Sam in PAnot registered
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Asking Questions
I'm going to make an appeal on this forum that if another person is going a answer a question posted by another that they please answer and or not, but please do not go off topic.
I'm just a little baffled with Suzie Q's response to my question to seek some specific information on a very positive statement in support of NA. In it, she goes off topic, put words in my mouth I did not say as is common on this forum. As much as I hate this immature behavior I have to say to Suzie, you're making things up. Please don't do that. And why I have to say this again is a mystery to me, but here goes.
"I AM 100% SUPPORTIVE OF NA AS AN ALTERNATIVE TREATMENT - I BELIEVE IT WORKS, BUT I DON'T SEE IT AS THE BEST OR ONLY TREATMENT".
To Suzie and others who try to change the subject whenever a direct or probing question is asked. Please don't do that anymore. If you don't like the question, then ignore it. If you have an answer, then please submit in a positive way that allows all to get and share information.
But, the question remains and Randy's recent post does not answer it. That is, who is the mystery expert whose words are being used to influence others? That's an important quesion and should be answered honestly. After all, Randy (and I'm not picking a fight) and others freely reference Dr. Eaton and others so why not share this name? Its a simple and important question and without this information, its just hard to believe that the statement is true. Its just the way any rationale or reasonable would see it.
Let's keep it on topic.
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