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01/28/2005 23:25
Bill H

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01/28/2005 23:25
Bill H

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Recurrance

Observer,

The problem is that the endless string of postings promoting NA as the best solution NEVER discuss that NA can accelerate Dups and it presents a very one-sided picture.

My surgery went well and although surgery is never a barrel of laughs, the diseased issue was removed and it cannot recur - at least there. Recurrance after surgery happens, but the promotors of NA NEVER acknowledge that NA can trigger increased rate of progressive and that the recurrance rate is high.

I can say that my right hand still needs some time to regain full range of motion. Its mostly there, but before surgery I had NO use of two fingers at ll. At this point the diseased issue is gone and while the dups may occur elsewhere on my hand, it won't come back where it was. The nodules that were pending my fingers are gone and show no signs of coming back. NA does not appear to offer that benefit.

NA may be a good option for mild cases, but all the NA zealots are misleading people and the debate needs to have all the facts included. This site should not be used as a billboard for NA without clearly presenting all the facts and options.

01/28/2005 23:30
observer

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01/28/2005 23:30
observer

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Balanced

Hi Bill,

It's no secret that if a persons DC is going to return then it will do so faster with NA then surgery. This fact has been listed in the studies of NA that were done in France and has been discussed many times on this forum.

People who choose NA do so as a personal choice often based on their concern the effects of possibly having to go through multiple surgeries and how they feel surgery will affect them. Some would rather have NA every 2 years then surgery every 5. It's a personal choice based on a persons stage of DC.

**What I think most people on this forum object to is seeing people with mild DC be subjected to surgery when it is not necessary.**

Having said that you are quite right that NA is not for everyone; it is dependent upon each case, that is why people send pictures of their hands to their doctor of choice prior to booking any appointments. We have posts here from people who have been told that NA is not appropriate for their case so they go on to successfully have surgery.

I think the only reason why there is an inbalance of discussion about NA on this forum is because there is a poster who keeps pushing Dr Bourland which sparks discussion about NA/qualifications etc...and this is preventing the forum from moving on to broader discussions. It makes the forum seem like all we talk about is NA. If you noticed over christmas when the poster was away, the forum was definately more calm and the conversation was more in depth.

observer

01/28/2005 23:18
Bill H

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01/28/2005 23:18
Bill H

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NA

Randy,

Tone it down. I support Sean and have submitted posting expressing a need to offer balanced viewpoints and that while this site offers a lot of good information, zealots like you should go away.

WE GET IT - NA IS AN OPTION!

But, its not the only option. Who are you working for?

On a different subject, three years ago I was advised to take GC for joint stiffness in my hands and I find the posting on that topic very interesting. That's the kind of information the site will benefit from. Not you. Please, go away.

01/28/2005 23:09
Randy H.

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01/28/2005 23:09
Randy H.

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Sean

Bill,

I respect your absolute right to express your opinion on this very open forum, even if you chose not to respect mine.

01/29/2005 23:32
Observer

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01/29/2005 23:32
Observer

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Sean

I see that Sean has a new nickname...Bill H. You are fooling no one Sean. Give it up. We have seen your lame act before.

01/29/2005 23:19
Frances

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01/29/2005 23:19
Frances

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Ad nauseum

Gee Imas,

Since march of last year you've probably returned a hunderd times from seeing Dr. Bourland.

Look, it's fine if you like Dr. Bourland, but really, could you at least contribute to the forum rather then just spamming us all the time? All your posts are almost identical no matter which nickname you use and it's frustrating. Like listening to a drone.

As someone else pointed out, Dr. Bourland himself has not announced that he is an NA practitioner. You yourself have stated that you do not work for him, so why are you doing this? What's your motivation? It can't be the spread of NA, you never talk about it, you just post Dr. Bourland's name over and over again.

Frances

01/29/2005 23:13
Sylvia 
01/29/2005 23:13
Sylvia 
Just had NA done by Dr. Eaton

Jan. 20th Dr. Eaton performed NA on my left hand. Three fingers were involved, one with an 85% bend. Jan. 24th he did my right hand, which only had a mildly bent ring finger (P.I.P joint.)The procedure was practically pain free. Since my left hand needed so much work, there was a bit of swelling afterward, but I could use my hand within a day or so. I could use my right hand almost immediately. Now, a week and a half later, I can use both hands normally, they are both straight--well, that left ring finger has a tiny slant to it--and they look and feel wonderful! My hands look as if nothing had been done to them. I can put my palms flat down on a table--feeling the tablecloth beneath my hand was a delightful surprise. That hasn't been possible for some 20 years!

Thankfully, the procedure is covered under Medicare, but if it weren't I would still have had it done. It is not expensive--something like $62.00 a finger, it is fast, almost pain free and has minimal recovery time. Because the left hand was in such bad shape, I will wear a splint at night for 3 months to encourage it to stay straight.

I don't know what the long-term outcome will be, but at this point I am outstandingly pleased with the procedure (I'm typing this normally using both hands, for goodness sake!) and am very pleased with Dr. Eaton. His easy, low key manner take the stress right out of the procedure.

I peeked into this forum for a year from time to time before deciding to go to Dr. Eaton, although I have never contributed to it. I would like to thank you all for your comments and hope you find mine helpful.

01/29/2005 23:27
Randy H.

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01/29/2005 23:27
Randy H.

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PIP

Yes, Sylvia, I did find your comments helpful. I have a contracture of the ring PIP as well. The PIP is the most difficult to straighten, whether with open surgery or NA. I'm not surprised you didn't get the PIP 100% straight. Unfortunately that's par for the course. I'm hoping to do as well with Eaton in a few months. I'm now at 35 degrees and gaining, so there is *no* reason to put this off. Thanks again.

PS: Aren't you glad you were fortunate enough to find this Forum? There are still *lots* of sufferers out there who have not (as yet).

01/30/2005 23:25
Sylvia 
01/30/2005 23:25
Sylvia 
NA

Randy, FYI. The right hand ring finger, which had mild PIP involvement, turned out perfectly straight. The left ring finger has, today, a slight bend--but it was bent at 85 - 90 degrees. Go for it! I'm sure you'll be happy with the result. Even on my left hand, the procedure only took about an hour.

03/04/2006 23:24
Bill James

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03/04/2006 23:24
Bill James

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NA

I agree. My PIP contraction came out well. It is still straight after two years. Dr. Eaton did mine. Good luck.

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