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10/16/2005 23:17
jim hnot registered
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10/16/2005 23:17
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where is the next group of NA practicioners?
Seems like the situation has been unchanged for many months. We have Eaton in Florida, Denkler in California, another in New Jersey. And a couple of Canadians who won't treat Americans (gee thanks).
Has anyone heard any glimmer of interest from an MD in that little strip of America lying between the coasts? How about Chicago, for instance?
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10/17/2005 23:13
Francesnot registered
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10/17/2005 23:13
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the heartland
Did I read somewhere that someone found out that Americans can be treated in Canada if they sign a waiver form? Anyone remember writing that?
Frances
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10/18/2005 23:38
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10/18/2005 23:38
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the heartland
Jim,
There's a Dr. Kline in Idaho and Dr. Bourland in Memphis, TN who offer NA. They are both mentioned in previous posts. Here in the worlds largest small town, Los Angeles, NA is not to be found.
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10/18/2005 23:18
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10/18/2005 23:18
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NA at UCLA
It's my understanding neither Dr. Bourland nor Dr. Kline have been directly trained in the Paris form of NA. Infact, it appears that Dr. Kline's experience with NA is seeing it performed on his own hands.
Personally, I would contact France to confirm the pedigree of any Dr. who claims to perform NA then make make my own decision.
Frances
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10/18/2005 23:32
Keith
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10/18/2005 23:32
Keith
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NA at UCLA
Tommy, Prosper Benhaim, UCLA CHS Plastic/Hand Surgery does NA. He visited me Monday AM to observe 3 patients and 7 NA releases. He is excited to do more of these since he was dissatisfied with his previous NA results. You can contact him for NA or Dupuytren's treatment at UCLA. Another small step forward to more acceptance of this procedure by the hand surgery community! Keith
Link to Dr. Benhaim http://www.healthcare.ucla.edu/institution/physician?personnel_id=9243
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10/20/2005 23:42
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10/20/2005 23:42
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NA in L.A.
Dr. Denkler,
Thanks so much for the info. It's nice to know that NA has finally arrived in the L.A.
Frances' point is well taken. If I was having NA performed again in the near future I'd most likely head over the Golden Gate to Marin County where Dr. Denkler practices. However, I can't help being excited that Dr. Benhaim is aboard at UCLA.
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10/20/2005 23:30
Randy H.not registered
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Credentials
Dr. Keith,
From your remarks it seems obvious that some degree of "observational training" makes a *big* difference in a practitioner's ability to perform at an optimum level when doing NA.
In this regard, what do the French have to offer and did you visit them? Who should instruct future CHS in the finer points of NA? This isn't rocket science for a good CHS, but how should we, as consumers who's hands are at stake, know who to trust?
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10/20/2005 23:47
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Paris
From what I understand, the French do not allow any visiting physician to actually perform the NA procedure on patients there due to legal issues, is this correct?
So they are *all* learning via observation instead of direct practice anyway.
It just seems a little too much can be made of the "Paris" mystique - the guys over there who do it are rheumatologists who are trained in NO invasive techniques.
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10/20/2005 23:13
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10/20/2005 23:13
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An experienced US hand doctor goes the France to observe NA. Great! I think that is wonderful. An experienced US hand doctor goes to another experienced NA doctor to observe. Great! I think this is just as wonderful. I am completely confident that Dr. Denkler did a thoroughly profession job of showing Dr. Benhaim the ins and outs of NA. We are incredibly lucky to have two such fine NA docs on the west coast.
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10/20/2005 23:56
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Consistency of Treatment
Larry,
You have given a good explanation of the longstandig "Paris Not Needed" argument. If someone of the experience of Eaton were cleared by his lawyer to allow other physicians to observe, I'd agree wholeheartedly. Don't need Paris. Eaton could probably train new French guys better than the French!
What I was pointing out is that observing and taking pointers from someone with experience is *way* better than "self training". Both Eaton and Press are on record that there were *definitely* things to be learned in Paris. However, eventually more NAs will be done in the US than Europe. It's growing fast. My question to Dr.Dinkler is, did he go to Paris as he indicated he would, and are we now ready to be self reliant. If so, why and how?
Like McDonnell's hamburgers, medicinal procedures should be as consistent as possible. That consistency comes from an established standards learned in med. school and upgraded as time goes on. Surgeons need to be re-certified every few years.
Right now NA in the US is in a state of flux. Not yet accepted by the powers that be, it's on it's own. Eaton comes as close to the "Authority" as anyone. But he can't teach for now. That being the case, Paris training may continue to be only thing that can bring any consistency of treatment.
Thanks for making my question to Dr. Denkler (about how to know who we can trust) more clear.
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