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Curcumin treatment for DC
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10/20/2004 23:50
toM

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10/20/2004 23:50
toM

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Hi Nypon, appreciate the info you've provided but I think there are other factors to consider. There are some, within the natural health community, that believe isolating a single component of an herb misses out on a synergy that may exist between all the components within the individual herb.

In relation to MS and alzheimers, which is very very rare in India, the people consume the entire herb, or the seasoning curry, not an extract of what some believe to be the primary medicinal component of turmeric.

10/24/2004 23:21
Nypon 
10/24/2004 23:21
Nypon 
curcumin

toM, I understand that some people in the natural health community believe that you should use whole herbs rather than herb extracts. I prefer to base my treatment on the scientific evidence rather than the beliefs of those people. There is a great deal of scientific evidence that curcumin is medically active, but no evidence that the other components of turmeric are medically active. Some people have speculated that other components in turmeric might help the body to absorb curcumin better, but that isn't an issue if you take curcumin + bioperine.

It is true that MS and Alzheimer's are much less common in India, where they eat a lot of turmeric. The scientific research on how turmeric fights MS and Alzheimer's has found that curcumin is the component of turmeric that fights these diseases. Indians eat turmeric nearly every day, and the small amount of curcumin they get each day over the course of their lifetime appears to be an effective preventative. In general, the amount of a substance needed to treat an established disease is much higher than what is needed to prevent a disease, so I want take much more turmeric than the average Indian diet would provide.

Turmeric extracts are typically 18 times more concentrated than powdered turmeric root. The choice is partly a matter of what quantity of supplements you're willing to take. I currently take 2 capsules of turmeric extract per day. I'd have to take 36 capsules of turmeric to get the same medical activity. I don't think that I would continue to take it if I had to take that much.

By the way, my arthritis has gotten better since I started taking turmeric extract and I've stopped taking the pain killer that the doctor prescribed (Vicodin).

10/24/2004 23:06
ToM

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10/24/2004 23:06
ToM

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Hi Nypon, I've been taking turmeric for several years now. I take two types, one by Critical Factors, which I believe has a curcumin percentage of 11%, and another with the 95% rate. Plus I frequently use turmeric as a seasoning for my food. I take bioperine as a separate supplement. Those percentages are contrasted with the 4 to 6 percent found in most turmeric.

Started taking it due to it's anti-inflammatory effects, since I'm also afflicted with osteoarthritis. A colleague then found some info related to Alzheimer's, which also unfortunately runs in my family. Lately, I've gotten a combo of curcumin and bioperine for my daughter since she may have MS. Her doctor laughed when she said she was taking herbs. I'm sure she is classically trained.

I also think you'll find that that some of the advocates of whole herb supplementation, as opposed to extracts, are trained scientists/doctors with an open mind. There's still a lot to learn. Absence of proof is not proof of absence.

Appreciate your posts.

10/26/2004 23:27
Nancy 
10/26/2004 23:27
Nancy 
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So, since you've been taking this for several years, what have you noticed? Has it had any effect on DC or not?

10/27/2004 23:25
toM

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10/27/2004 23:25
toM

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Hi, can't really say if it's helping or not. I first was diagnosed in 2002. I have not had contracture and the growth seems very slow. Whether or not that is due to the turmeric supplements, I cannot say.

I first started taking turmeric supplements for osteoarthritis. Unfortunately for me, they do not work as well as glucosamine and chrondroitin. However since Alzheimers has occurred within the family, I believe it in my best interest to follow the anecdotal (the scientific research on turmeric and curcumin is still in it's infancy)evidence that it may be valuable for preventing/delaying this illness.

11/16/2004 23:30
marilyn 
11/16/2004 23:30
marilyn 
turmeric capsules

I can buy turmeric capsules, 400 mg. Is one a day enough?

11/16/2004 23:43
marilyn 
11/16/2004 23:43
marilyn 
Dups and mortality

what about ginseng with royal jelly? That's supposed to support the immune system.

11/21/2004 23:50
Nypon 
11/21/2004 23:50
Nypon 
Dups and mortality

marilyn, No one knows what the optimal dose of curcumin for DC is. 400 mg is a smaller dose than what has been found effective for treating other problems, and curcumin is nontoxic even in much larger doses, so I take more than that. I have no idea whether ginseng with royal jelly would help.

12/10/2004 23:12
Michael Lusk

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12/10/2004 23:12
Michael Lusk

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Dups and mortality


Nypon,

This is a larger question than curcumin alone, but have you read and understood the studies regarding Dupuytren's and increased mortality? I ask because you apparently have the background to understand them. I've been pondering the Uppsala study:

http://publications.uu.se/uu/fulltext/nbn_se_uu_diva-1794.pdf#search='dupuytren%20s%20contracture%20uppsala

...and to this layman's eye, there seem to be internal contradictions. Is there increased mortality due to Dups per se, as opposed to confounding factors like diabetes & smoking, and from what maladies specifically? If you'd like to respond, maybe it'd be better to do it under the 'life expectancy' topic.

Thanks for sharing your excellent reseach, by the way.

Regards, Michael

12/15/2004 23:34
Nypon 
12/15/2004 23:34
Nypon 
Dups and mortality

Michael, I just saw your post and downloaded the article today. I'm going to be very busy for the next couple of weeks and may not have time to read it until after the holidays.

FWIW, there seem to be some similarities between cancer and DC. Like cancer, DC is characterized by abnormal cell growth. You could think of DC nodules and cords as a type of benign tumor. DC and many kinds of cancer have a genetic component. In both cases, people can be genetically predisposed to the disease without getting it. The same kinds of environmental factors (like smoking) may trigger both kinds of disease. The TGF-beta cascade has been implicated in several kinds of cancer as well as in DC. Some chemotherapy drugs that target TGF-beta (tamoxifen, 5-fluorouracil) are now being tried in DC patients. A Phase I clinical trial of curcumin in patients at a high risk for developing malignant tumors concluded that "Our results also suggest a biologic effect of curcumin in the chemoprevention of cancer." (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=11712783&dopt=Abstract)

If you are concerned about a possible increased risk of cancer, you might want to consider taking curcumin.

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