Re: NICE Initial Consultation Response on approval for RT for DC
Got the following mail to indicate that they are indeed still taking input. "Your comments have been submitted to the NICE website and will be processed by the NICE team managing this work"
I copied my contributions which are pasted below. I have not copied the 'long text' from NICE (but you can easily see this on their site) so only the Section Titles are given below.
If you disagree or want to amplify any of my comments, then please do follow up Philip's initiative & fill in the NICE forms, on-line, TONIGHT!!! It's very easy & straight forward to use.
Comment on Section 1: Provisional recommendations The above caution is wise however a balanced view is necessary. The potential benefits should also be highlighted. Efforts should be made to harvest the experiences of patients in the UK that were treated by Mr Goode at the Poole Hospital. Since Mr Goode left office (ill health?) there has been no 'follow-up' of patients that have received radiation treatment for Dupuytren’s & Ledderhose. Given the shortage of UK feedback on actual results, this seems to be a lost opportunity.
Comment on Section 2.1: Indications and current treatments Agreed, but again the potential positive (slowing, softening) effects of radiation should be highlighted to give a balanced range of options to the patients AND for the education of GP's who have a very limited & 'stuck-in-time' view of alternative treatments. There is currently the danger that a patient could miss an 'entry gate' for treatment if the information is only delivered late in the development stage of the disease.
Comment on Section 2.2: Outline of the procedure Good but is there a way of giving the patient a 'relative weighting' of the intensity of 15 Gy? e.g. equivalent of x number of 'X-ray's
Also VERY important is information for patients about their potential options in the event of further advancement despite the radiation. In other words, that patients can subsequently still elect to have NA or open hand surgery if radiation is not (over time) fully effective.
Comment on Section 2.3: Efficacy Efforts should be made to harvest the experiences of patients in the UK that were treated by Mr Goode at the Poole Hospital. Since Mr Goode left office (ill health?) there has been no 'follow-up' of patients that have received radiation treatment for Dupuytren’s & Ledderhose. Given the shortage of UK feedback on actual results, this seems to be a lost opportunity
Comment on Section 2.4: Safety It's all a question of balance & tone. Above mentions 'chronic toxicity events' - which evidently includes 'dry hands' - a simple hand cream solves this and needs to be balanced against the hoped for 'slowing down' of progression which pushes back the need for much more draconian treatments - like open hand surgery (which will need more that a spot of hand cream to sooth). Be fair, in the majority of operated cases, a subsequent surgical intervention is necessary as the disease often returns. This can require skin grafts as the new operation is performed on tissue that is already scarred/damaged by the first operation. Surely, in any balanced view, radiation is a worthwhile, balanced risk, option and dry hands a minor inconvenience.
Comment on Section 2.5: Other comments My experience is clear - GP's refer sufferers to hand surgeons & hand surgeons promote only their own view. Patients who feel the need to consider alternative approaches & risks are very much on their own & must rely on forums etc for input. There is a driving need for education and information sharing within the medical community so that we can make progress towards defeating this cruel & indiscriminate disease. One thing is for sure - keeping doing what we have always been doing is not winning the fight. There are many worse diseases out there & we can count ourselves lucky that it will not be fatal, but so many people are forced to change lifestyles & surrender hobbies & passions (be it golf, playing music etc etc – and simple DIY & self hygiene routines can become difficult or impossible. In other words 'independence' & a life free of pain/discomfort is the prize.
Re: NICE Initial Consultation Response on approval for RT for DC
handhurt1:Have posted my comments, and asked that info on where we could get RT on NHS close to home would be very useful.
Very good point to make & ties in very well with the proposal that all relevant medical contacts (starting with GP's) need to have an urgent educational refresh on treatment options for Dupuytren patients.
Re: NICE Initial Consultation Response on approval for RT for DC-latest info
I am writing to inform you that the registration facility for the Interventional Procedure Advisory Meeting to be held on the 9th September 2010 will be opening on 11th August 2010 on the NICE website.
I am planning on attending and will report back as per the last meeting. I am hoping the meeting will be brief and straightforward and the approval will go through?
Please let me know if anyone else is planning on attending?
Notes from London 8 September NICE commitee meeting
Hi,
I attended the NICE committee meeting which discussed the second round of consultation comments, I have attached my notes. Basically as far as I can tell the recommendation of allowing RT for DD but with 'special arrangements' from the last round of documentation will hold i.e. that decision is unlikely to be overturned - which I think is good news for the treatment of DD patients with RT in the UK.
Re: NICE Initial Consultation Response on approval for RT for DC
Philip, thank you so much for keeping us informed and for writing this summary! I feel that we did and achieved what we are able to. I think that's a success of the patients' intervention and it's also a success of the NICE concept to include and listen to patients. Fairly unusual in other countries.