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Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment
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01/04/14 20:15
fitzelder 
01/04/14 20:15
fitzelder 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Okay - I'm gonna call out the claim that creosote is toxic. Its actually a sacred medicinal plant - if you've ever been around one after the rain, the plant itself SMELLS like pure medicine. In Arizona, we call this plant "chaparral" and no self-respecting desert survivalist would pass one up if he needed it. And I'm guessing everyone on this forum is in need.

I'd use it in moderation - too much and you MAY experience some liver issues (but we get that with alcohol too, and it doesn't stop us) - people still use and revere this plant - I'd venture to guess its the secret ingredient that you NEED in the horse linament that makes the treatment work. Study up on it, then make a decision on whether or not to use it.

Just my 2-cents.

Thanks btw, for the suggestion - I just may have to try some!

01/06/14 12:18
Vikingorigins 
01/06/14 12:18
Vikingorigins 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Here is the patent for horse liniment:
http://www.google.com.ph/patents/US7811554

The creosote used is mentioned to come from creosote bush, and not from the coal tar creosote (which is toxic). So that is reassurring. Still, there is some turpentine in it...

01/28/14 08:53
rose58 
01/28/14 08:53
rose58 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

Thanks for advice. I'm still educating on liniments. Do you know other commercial liniments/cream? I heard something about Laserat, but I don't know is it worth.

01/28/14 23:31
schrick 
01/28/14 23:31
schrick 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

rose58
I'm not sure if the liniment brand used will affect the outcome or not. I really don't know which of the three items (liniment, vitamin E or laser) used has the most impact. I only know the treatment worked for me (so far) and for Corrine who had told me about this treatment. She has had no further problems for over a decade now. She used actual horse liniment which she was able to get from a vet. I used an over the counter product which has been around for more than a 100 years. Like I posted earlier, if you do a search for "pain relief liquid" with the year "1892" you should be able to see what I used. I am not familiar with any other liniments or liniments in general. Corrine had told me she was told the liniment facilitated getting the vitamin E into the tissue.

I did my treatment a year ago and maintain the ability to fully flex all my fingers back. I have almost zero pain now. If I am not feeling well my palms will still sometimes ache but I no longer have that shredding sensation like the tissue is tearing away. The nodules and cords I had, are still the same as a year ago, except I no longer have that horrible pain or the shrinking/tightness some of my fingers were beginning to experience.

If anyone else has tried this, please share your results (negative or positive) so that we can all learn more about its effectiveness for DC sufferers.

02/18/14 22:01
fitzelder 
02/18/14 22:01
fitzelder 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

I think this is very much worth trying! I'm getting my hands on the linament as soon as possible and will report findings! Thanks for the info - very much appreciated!

03/11/14 16:09
fitzelder 
03/11/14 16:09
fitzelder 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

2.5 weeks into this therapy. Looks promising - at least for my painful frozen shoulder - I find that quite thrilling, as NOTHING has ever helped that. My forays into acupuncture were (like this laser) very good for pain, but didn't stop me from getting a small new nodule - so, its not as promising with the DD as I had hoped.

So - I move on to lasers! I got my laser on amazon.com - its pricey ($200) - I also got the horse linament there (not pricey). The laser has been incredibly helpful with my stemic fibromyalgia pain - MORE so than the acupuncture, which is thrilling - but how effective it is with my DD remains to be seen. As mentioned, my disease slowly progresses though I still have staved off any sign of contracture. 2 uncles of mine - both 20 years older than me! - got DD at the same time - all 3 of us! They both have developed contractures at this juncture and are progressing much faster than I. But I am female, younger.....so....whose to say.

Thanks again for the post - its been helpful already with my many other ails - we'll see, with DD.

03/12/14 03:00
schrick 
03/12/14 03:00
schrick 

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

I am hoping that you will have great success with the treatment Fitzelder.

I was surprised by the amount your laser cost you but that is great if it is helping you with other things. I just wanted to let others know that the laser I bought wasn't nearly that expensive. I paid somewhere between $10 - $15 dollars and Corrine had told me she got hers at a dollar store. I am pretty sure I spent more on the vitamin E capsules. Altogether I think it may have cost me around $40 for the liniment, vitamin E and the laser pointer. Again I just wanted to let everyone know that this can be tried without being putting out a large amount of money.

Fitzelder I will be praying that it works for you. Please keep us updated with the results.

03/12/14 09:29
wach 

Administrator

03/12/14 09:29
wach 

Administrator

Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

"Laser" is a very broad term used for many products. A laser pointer is quite different to a medical laser and I would be surprised if it did anything good for Dupuytren's.

Wolfgang

schrick:
... I was surprised by the amount your laser cost you but that is great if it is helping you with other things. I just wanted to let others know that the laser I bought wasn't nearly that expensive. I paid somewhere between $10 - $15 dollars and Corrine had told me she got hers at a dollar store. I am pretty sure I spent more on the vitamin E capsules. Altogether I think it may have cost me around $40 for the liniment, vitamin E and the laser pointer. ...

03/12/14 14:14
fitzelder 
03/12/14 14:14
fitzelder 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

The "laser" I got was developed by NASA, is medical, and approved by the FDA. It comes with a recommendation NOT to use it with linament - so I haven't (I use it after the treatment, wrapping my hands in a heating pad, and watch a little tv to pass the time). Once turned on, the light shines for 30 seconds, then automatically turns off. You can repeat it, but 1 minute should suffice. It comes with a battery recharger, which you need to do about 1x a week. It also comes with sunglasses - to use if you are shining it close to your eyes. Its very effective for pain - no report yet for DD. That may take months, to years, to know.

My limited experience with it leads me to like the device (a lot), though I don't know much about them. I am NO expert, so if a cheaper version of the light exists, and does the same thing - by all means seek that out! Also, thank you for your kind words. The fight is on now while I still have good use of my hands. I have lofty plans for retirement - and full use of these fingers is required! :-)

06/26/14 07:46
rayozz 
06/26/14 07:46
rayozz 
Re: Liniment/Vitamin E/Laser Pointer Treatment

A really interesting thread.

I've tried quite a few things. I started a post on here about using NAC, but after many months was getting nowhere and I didn't like the effects it was having on my body.

I later read that there was a theory that Zinc build up was a potential cause of the contracture, and that we should try and replace the zinc with magnesium. Most people apparently need more Magnesium, checked my diet and I was nowhere near close to the recommended amount. I have been taking magnesium for about 2 months now. Nothing to report, but will continue. Doesn't cost much.

I have a contracture of over 90 degrees on my left hand pinky finger and one starting on my right hand pinky, and read this liniment/vitamin E thread. It definitely takes the tightness out of the contracture, so much so, that I forget to keep applying it. I'm about to add Iodine to the cords, with the liniment and Vitamin E, and be far more diligent.

Shall keep you informed,

Ray

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