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01/20/2012 15:33
wach Administrator
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01/20/2012 15:33
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Callie,
the success of RT strongly depends on the disease stage. The further the disease has progressed the less is RT successful. Even with not contracted fingers the success rate is not 100 percent. Betz et al http://www.dupuytren-online.de/downloads...trens_Betz2.PDF report in a 12 year follow-up success rates (success = stable or remission) of Stage N = 87 % (just nodules, no extension deficit) Stage N/I = 70 % (max 5 deg extension deficit) Stage I = 38 % (max 45 deg extension deficit) Stage II = 14 % (max 90 deg extension deficit)
When evaluatting the success of RT you definitely require a control group, otherwise you wouldn't be able to tell whether the untreated condition would have been any worse. The results of Seegenschmiedt et al. in chapter 44 of the recent book on Dupuytren's Disease http://www.springerlink.com/content/978-...22&locus=33 therefore include comparison to an untreated control group.
Wolfgang
callie: Has RT ever failed? I am still troubled by people reporting excellent results. If I would have had RT in my right hand 15 years ago I would have been screaming from the highest mountain about how successful it was 15 years later, that "RT stopped the progression". Well, I didn't have RT 15 years ago and my Dupuytren's in my right hand has not advanced any. It is exactly as it was 15 years ago. This occurred at the same time my left hand (little finger) contracted to 90 degrees. My two hands were parallel in progression, one stopped and one continued to progress.
My question is, "how is the unknown progression figured into the endorsement of RT?"
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01/20/2012 18:10
callie
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01/20/2012 18:10
callie
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Thank you. Is that same data compared those who have had untreated Dupuytren's? That is where it would be difficult. I know many people who have Dupuytren's who never see a physician. Often their Dupuytren's remains dormant or progresses very slowly that (I'm guessing) would come close to matching the results that you have mentioned above.
Edited 01/20/12 20:38
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01/21/2012 03:27
Anthony
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01/21/2012 03:27
Anthony
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi All Thanks again for your responses. Newman, I have tried to contact Dr Harper in Perth four times with no success.You wouldn't believe it but the secretary/nurse will not allow me to speak to him or to get his email address. Her continuous response was to get a referral and to come to Perth (from Brisbane). I said I would be happy to do that if she could just pass on my history (or allow me to do the same by email) so that the doctor could confirm whether I am a possible candidate......all to no avail. I have had better luck sending info to Dr Borg in Adelaide. I am waiting for a response from him. Newman, can you tell me your experiences with him? Have you been treated with RT by him? If so When? How experienced is he with Dups and LD patients? My Brisbane RT option has only had 3 experiences with Dups... Not sure if I want to put my 15 nodules (and counting) in his care. I would also be interested in hearing the order and timing of your treatment since contracting Dups (both surgery and RT). I know it's not a useful habit but I can't stop being fearful of the long term outcomes of have an aggressive for of these diseases. Thanks Wolfgang, I believe your approach is my best option. I hope Dr Borg comes through or it may be off to Hamburg to see Dr Seegenschmiedt.
AB
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01/21/2012 05:40
Larry
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01/21/2012 05:40
Larry
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Anthony: Hi All Thanks again for your responses..... Thanks Wolfgang, I believe your approach is my best option. I hope Dr Borg comes through or it may be off to Hamburg to see Dr Seegenschmiedt.
AB
The choice for Hamburg and Prof. Seegenschmiedt is the best you could do at that time ! YOU NEED TO HAVE an EXPERIENCED PHYSICIAN looking at your condition. I am sure, that he will only TREAT WHAT IS DETECTABLE and NECESSARY. I got both feet and one hand very successfully treated after several disappointments with unexperienced doctors.
As you and me have only these two feet and two hands, they are so precious that I wouldn't fool around with such an important treatment which aims to PRESERVE DAILY FUNCTION ! It has donein my case , all the best, Larry
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01/21/2012 07:21
Anthony
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01/21/2012 07:21
Anthony
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Larry, I'm certainly looking very seriously at Hamburg, and if I'm not convinced of Dr Borgs creds I will need to bite the bullet and go. There are significant cost and time constraints in going to Germany ( posssibly up to $9000 difference as our insurances will not cover overseas doctors). I'm hoping Newman or some other informed reader may be able to give more info on Borg, and I will be giving him the 'third degree'. If he is a true professional and has researched and used Seegenscmiedt's protocols and has reasonable experience, Australians like myself will need a "Seegenscmiedt" here in Australia during our lifetimes. Thanks Again AB
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01/21/2012 07:42
wach Administrator
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01/21/2012 07:42
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Anthony, cost won't probably sum up to 9 k AUD but including flight and accomodation cost will amount to several k AUD.
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01/21/2012 08:43
Anthony
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01/21/2012 08:43
Anthony
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Wolfgang Are you calculating for two trips to Germany with work on both hands and both feet? Do you know if it would be possible to have the second round of treatments back here in Aus if Seegenscmiedt provided a 'template' for the work required? I have posed this question to him but am yet to receive a reply. (not like him at all ) I saw on a thread you reminded a NZ guy he could get his work done in Hamilton rather than travel to Germany. I take it that the "expertise " is required in choosing which nodules etc need immediate attention, but that the actual RT treatment is not that complex in its delivery.
AB
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01/21/2012 08:45
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01/21/2012 08:45
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
That's exactly how it is: the treatment itself it fairly simple. You need expertise to set it up and determine what to irradiate.
Wolfgang PS: I counted only 1 trip.
Anthony: Hi Wolfgang Are you calculating for two trips to Germany with work on both hands and both feet? Do you know if it would be possible to have the second round of treatments back here in Aus if Seegenscmiedt provided a 'template' for the work required? I have posed this question to him but am yet to receive a reply. (not like him at all ) I saw on a thread you reminded a NZ guy he could get his work done in Hamilton rather than travel to Germany. I take it that the "expertise " is required in choosing which nodules etc need immediate attention, but that the actual RT treatment is not that complex in its delivery.
AB
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01/21/2012 16:31
newman
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01/21/2012 16:31
newman
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Anthony Firstly I suggest typing in search box at the top of the page -Type' Dr Borg Australia' this will bring up many previous posts. As mentioned in previous posting I live in Adelaide and personally met Dr Borg who has an interest in treating Non Malignant Disorders .I found him to be a very sincere person . Do a Google Search on him. For information I received RT in Germany back in 07 after a repeat surgery . Dr Borg informed me had been treating Dups/Ledderhose for many years using the recommended protocol of Prof. Seegenschmiedt. I made the approach for him to list on the Internation Dupuytren Society .After my approach he purchased the book written by Seegenschmiedt and others. You will also see in your searches , mentioned in postings ,that Dr Greg Wheeler in Peter Mac Hosp. Victoria has treated Dups. There is lots of reading to help you with your decision . Regards.
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01/21/2012 16:58
Christl
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01/21/2012 16:58
Christl
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
My cost with Prof Seegnschmiedt, two hands RT treatment, flight USA to Germany and apartment: $ 2,800 ( this does not incl. restaurants, food, etc). My husband went with me and I have to say we had a fantastic time. Hamburg is truly a beautiful city, the food is incredible, not to mention the beer, non-alcoholic of course - alkoholfrei Franciscaner Weizenbier, the best! I am German, moved to the States with hubby many, many moons ago. I so enjoyed being there after all those years, so I am a bit partial.
Last treatment was done in December. Seems as of now, my Dups have not progressed. Before RT I had new nodules popping up on my left hand like mushrooms, now that's it. I am pretty excited. On another note, should your hands progress, or feet for that matter, don't hesitate, Go as soon as you. I caught my left hand just in time, my right hand already started cord, so Prof. Seegenschmiedt gave me a 70% success rate on that hand. I do have some contracture on that hand already, don't wait until it goes!! Unfortunately when you live so far away, timing might no be perfect. I have also LD in both feet, I am looking and waiting . Prof. Seegenschmiedt will not treat you unless he feels the time is right!
Good Luck
Christl
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