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01/27/2012 04:05
GaryBall 
01/27/2012 04:05
GaryBall 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Anthony,
I think you are making a sound decision.......and I could nt agree more regarding our practitioners......I have been in contact with a couple of people in nz who have shown an interest in my case........I have forwarded them my medical assessment and treatment programme from the prof........I hope this encourages them to learn more....
I am sure you will agree.......that after meeting with the prof.........you will be amazed how knowledgeable he is on this disease.......it is like breathing air for him........certainly.......from my experience........practitioners have a very long way to go to have a reasonable understanding of the disease.......and treating it .......without complicating the condition.....I will be wishing you the best of luck in Germany........
Keep in touch
Gary
Hi Gary
Thanks for your response.
I am also 46.
I am in the process of planning my trip to Germany to have both hands and both feet assessed. There seems to have been very few regrets from people who have made the trip. We ANZACs need to keep pushing to improve our practitioners knowledge and experience 'downunder' for our future (and our kids) benefit.
Let us know how the treatment works out.
AB

01/27/2012 08:47
Cyclist 
01/27/2012 08:47
Cyclist 

Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Anthony
We seem to get this disease early here in the southern hemisphere (!) - I'm about the same age - 45.
My advice now is not to delay with treatment as my nodules progressed while I was waiting for 6 weeks to get an appointment. Also, if you're into it, try to keep fit while you go through the process, even though it's a challenge... look after yourself. The condition seems to do better with exercise. See previous posts on this.
If you're interested, have a skim over my patient experience post by selecting the blue 'patients' tab at the top of the page and then click on 'patient experience'. There are a few tips for us 'ANZACS' concerning the long haul flight.
For those of you who are not familiar with the term 'ANZACS', it refers to the Australian and New Zealand Alliance that dates back to world war experiences here in the southern hemisphere...
Anyway, all the best Anthony - I think you've made the right choice. A year on from when it all started progressing and I was seeking treatment and I'm getting fit again. No running or serious treks anymore, but heaps of cycling, walking, swimming and I have my sights set on some day (bush) walks again...
Cheers
Di


Anthony:
Hi Gary
Thanks for your response.
I am also 46.
I am in the process of planning my trip to Germany to have both hands and both feet assessed. There seems to have been very few regrets from people who have made the trip. We ANZACs need to keep pushing to improve our practitioners knowledge and experience 'downunder' for our future (and our kids) benefit.
Let us know how the treatment works out.
AB

01/27/2012 15:29
Larry 
01/27/2012 15:29
Larry 
Re: ANZACS need Hamburg experience ?!

GaryBall:
Hi Anthony,
I think you are making a sound decision.......
I am sure you will agree.......that after meeting with the prof.........you will be amazed how knowledgeable he is on this disease.......it is like breathing air for him........certainly.......from my experience........practitioners have a very long way to go to have a reasonable understanding of the disease.......and treating it .......without complicating the condition.....I will be wishing you the best of luck in Germany........

Hi Gary and other ANZACS ...

Could You give us a brief report about the way and the whole examination and treatment process in Hamburg as it really sounds amazing to me that you take over 30 hours travelling into account to meet Prof. Seegenschmiedt and his team in the "Strahlenzentrum" where I am travelling from another city in Germany to get my follow-up examinations.
I am a Ledderhose / 2 feet / and Dupuytren's / 1 hand / sufferer myself. When do you travel a second time ...?

I am highly inzterested in your detailed report, all the best ! Larry

Edited 01/27/12 17:32

01/27/2012 15:57
wach 

Administrator

01/27/2012 15:57
wach 

Administrator

Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Larry,

there are several reports from patients receiving RT in Germany on http://www.dupuytren-online.info/dupuytr...xperiences.html, just in case you haven't seen those yet.

Wolfgang

01/28/2012 08:32
GaryBall 
01/28/2012 08:32
GaryBall 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Anthony,
I think you are making a sound decision.......
I am sure you will agree.......that after meeting with the prof.........you will be amazed how knowledgeable he is on this disease.......it is like breathing air for him........certainly.......from my experience........practitioners have a very long way to go to have a reasonable understanding of the disease.......and treating it .......without complicating the condition.....I will be wishing you the best of luck in Germany........

Larry:
Hi Gary and other ANZACS ...

Could You give us a brief report about the way and the whole examination and treatment process in Hamburg as it really sounds amazing to me that you take over 30 hours travelling into account to meet Prof. Seegenschmiedt and his team in the "Strahlenzentrum" where I am travelling from another city in Germany to get my follow-up examinations.
I am a Ledderhose / 2 feet / and Dupuytren's / 1 hand / sufferer myself. When do you travel a second time ...?

I am highly inzterested in your detailed report, all the best ! Larry

01/30/2012 21:13
txmike 
01/30/2012 21:13
txmike 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Anthony!
I too think you are making a wise decision. Having just returned from Hamburg last Saturday for my second series of RT, I can say that I have full confidence in Prof. S. His knowledge of this disease is unsrupassed in my opinion. He is also very forthright and easy to talk to and all of his staff are wonderful! Two of my nodules are already smaller and softer since my first series and no new activity. If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. Oddly enough I too am 46 years old!
Michael

PS: Pack your long johns, it is terribly cold over there!!

01/31/2012 00:44
stephenp 
01/31/2012 00:44
stephenp 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

QUOTE

Has RT ever failed? I am still troubled by people reporting excellent results. If I would have had RT in my right hand 15 years ago I would have been screaming from the highest mountain about how successful it was 15 years later, that "RT stopped the progression". Well, I didn't have RT 15 years ago and my Dupuytren's in my right hand has not advanced any. It is exactly as it was 15 years ago. This occurred at the same time my left hand (little finger) contracted to 90 degrees. My two hands were parallel in progression, one stopped and one continued to progress.

My question is, "how is the unknown progression figured into the endorsement of RT?"

To para-phrase the question; has there been a randomised control trial of RT treatment for DD?

I have not come across one but will have another look. there have been a number of uncontrolled trials reported. However I have not been able to get access to the papers, many of which were published in the 1950s (see 12 references in Int J Rad Onc Bio Phys 49, 785-798, 2001).

In the limited published long term data on RT (13 yrs) , the following has been reported (Strahlentherapie und Onkologie, 2010:186, 82-90; abstract in English)

In the early stage of the disease 87% of patients receiving RT remained stable or regressed.

RT in later stages was less successful with progression in 60 - 80% of patients

The authors concluded that in the case of disease progression after RT, surgery is still feasible.

The question being asked is; what is the % of patients that would have remained stable or regressed with no RT. Historical data suggests that this is lower than 87% but I do not have the data! Frustrating since I am a scientists and want to see the data.

Medline abstracts are available and a Medline search of Radiotherapy for Dupuytren's is available here (full text: http://www.dupuytrenfoundation.org/DupPD...Medline_XRT.pdf)

Given the low prevalence of RT in Australia, I doubt if there have been many operations post RT so it is rather disingenuous for a hand surgeon to talk about the difficulties of surgery post RT when the published evidence (see above) suggests otherwise.

Finally, I think the contributors to this forum have a great opportunity to collect data that would be very useful. I had one attempt at this but only had 2 respondents. I would be happy to try again and to collect some information on RT in Australia.

Cheers

Stephen

01/31/2012 00:45
Anthony 
01/31/2012 00:45
Anthony 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

Hi Michael
Thanks for your support. Great to hear all seems to have gone well so far for you.
No need to pack the sunscreen eh!!!!
What the hell happened 46 years ago!!!!

Where are you from Michael?
Any recommendations for a decent (and cheap) hotel? Where did you stay?
Did you do a stopover on the way? I'm thinking about doing a day in Dubai for a look on the way back.
Might help break up that long haul flight.

All the best
AB

01/31/2012 03:04
flojo 
01/31/2012 03:04
flojo 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

Stephen, There have been randomized studies about the effectiveness of the various protocols in delivering RT. I'm not sure that it has been a treatment long enough to show the results you are asking about. I do agree that we need more research about all treatments and the long term effects.

I wrote a post about 2 weeks ago about the possibility of using the posts on this Forum for research. There is a wealth of information right here.

01/31/2012 03:54
callie 
01/31/2012 03:54
callie 
Re: Aussie needs your experience

stephenp,

Thank you for understanding my question. The same question would apply to the LD in my arches. There has been zero progression in 15 years, and better, the nodules have got better/smaller to the extent that I never think about them anymore. If I were to have had RT on them I would have considered the outcome to have been a resounding success. But, I didn't have RT.

Edited 01/31/12 05:55

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