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11/16/2009 03:27
flojo 
11/16/2009 03:27
flojo 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

LubaM,

If there is continuing contraction without cords, maybe it is the multiple nodules that causes it. I also think RT would stop the progression of cords, but it would not release the contraction. That's why NA first to release contraction, then RT to stop progression. That's my understanding.

I'm not sure, but I think continued contraction of a cord would indicate that it is active.

11/16/2009 07:50
wach 

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11/16/2009 07:50
wach 

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RT after NA

To LubaM and flojo:

Cords and nodules are not exactly the same tissue. Growing nodules hold a much higer percentage of myofibroblasts and those are the ones most affected by RT, or rather RT reduces production of myofibroblasts (if you are interested in medical details you might have a look at http://www.dupuytren-online.info/DEGRO_2...lular_basis.pdf ).

Because of that RT is efficient on growing nodules and has much less effect on existing cords. From my personal experience radiating a cord doesn't make much difference, although that is difficult to tell from just one personal experience (2 cords). If you have a single cord and had that cord broken by NA I don't see not much benefit in haveing the cord then radiated. RT won't do much on the cord and radiating the gap doesn't make sense to me. Now there might be opposing opinions but that's my take.

Wolfgang

12/29/2009 10:13
wach 

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12/29/2009 10:13
wach 

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Prof. Seegenschmiedt back at clinical work

Prof. Seegenschmiedt will return from his sabbatical and start treating patients beginning January 2010. He will treat at a Hamburg clinic (Strahlenzentrum Hamburg Nord) using electron beams (the address is at the bottom of http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiotherapy_clinics.html).

Further he will continue to treat patients in the Essen area, too. Details will be released soon.

Prof. Seegenschmieedt is on the board of the Dupuytren conference 2010 http://dupuytrensymposium.com/ and member of Dupuytren Society.

Wolfgang

12/30/2009 04:33
newman 
12/30/2009 04:33
newman 

Prof.Seegenschmiedt back at Clinical Work.

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This is great news. The Prof. has a passion for helping patients, particularly in the area of Benign Disorders including Dupuytrens and Ledderhose. Might I suggest that patients particularly in the US send the link ( below) of the symposium to be held in Miami to their surgeon. The more interest the better in an endeavour to make the conference a success. Regards.

Prof. Seegenschmiedt will return from his sabbatical and start treating patients beginning January 2010. He will treat at a Hamburg clinic (Strahlenzentrum Hamburg Nord) using electron beams (the address is at the bottom of http://www.dupuytren-online.info/radiotherapy_clinics.html).

Further he will continue to treat patients in the Essen area, too. Details will be released soon.

Prof. Seegenschmieedt is on the board of the Dupuytren conference 2010 http://dupuytrensymposium.com/ and member of Dupuytren Society.

Wolfgang




Edited 12/30/09 06:33

04/28/2010 17:55
Chris777 
04/28/2010 17:55
Chris777 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

I am in Hamburg, presently, getting RT at the Strahlenzentrum clinic.
And am emailing from my Hamburg airport Motel-One room.

The clinic is a nice building with very nice staff. I have had 3 days in a row on both hands, 2 more days left, then I come back in August for another series of 5 treatment days.

3Gy x 5 days per series.

2 hands, cost is about 990 Euros per series. ( 1300$ US at present)

Dr. Seegenschmeidt is a very nice man. He and the staff run a very professional clinic here.
Hamburg is nice. I am within walking distance between airport, clinic, and my hotel.
( I walk for 45 minutes to get to clinic. Nice walk through the Langenhorner Chausse neighborhoods.)

You can stay in hotels much closer. But I am too cheap, and I like the walk.

I would have been here last week, but for the Iceland volcano. I got lucky and wasn't trapped halfway. I just went home and waited one week.

I first noticed DP nodule in one hand last summer/fall. I thought nothing of it. Then in February/March I realized I had dupuytrens cord in other hand. I got a local doctor to see it. It was taking too much time to line up further appointments in the US as I suspected more nodules. The initial doctor hadnt even gotten around to a referal and I decided to get to Germany and RT. I am a guitarist and manual laborer. I wanted to try and shut the DP down before contraction. Here I am.

Dr Seegenschmeidt located a number nodules and cords in my palms and finger base areas. I am glad I made this decision. It now seems that I had extensive networks sprouting. Maybe due to my job being very hard on my hands. But I really did this for the guitar playing.

Edited 04/28/10 20:57

05/05/2010 14:33
David26

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05/05/2010 14:33
David26

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Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

Chris, give us an update when you can on any improvements you note

05/11/2010 14:33
Larry 
05/11/2010 14:33
Larry 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

David26:
Chris, give us an update when you can on any improvements you note

This is great news, as I had similar good experience told from my cousin who was
treated by Prof. Seegenschmiedt because of Morbus Ledderhose. In our family
several members hav been hit by the disease - and as far as I see no doctor
so far examined BOTH AREAS - the HANDS AND THE FEET ! Hand surgeons seem
to be annoyed if you want to show them your feet and the podiatrist I know did not
want to examine the hands - The PROF was the only one who sponataneouly or
better say routinely examined my cousin at ALL EXTREMITIES; he also asked for
some UNUSUAL SCARS or for nodules at the PENIS (rather scaring to me !).
he took himself more than 30 minutes for all the questions and examinations!
He also seemsto be very diligent in documenting the disease quite exactly !

THus, it was surprising to me that a radiation therapist was MORE COMPLETE in
his analysis than any other doctor before ! I hope that might help some members
of this forum which I have just discovered ... Larry

Edited 05/11/10 17:35

07/22/2010 16:46
bstenman 
07/22/2010 16:46
bstenman 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

I had a NT procedure done on both hands by an experienced hand surgeon, Dr. Denkler in Larkspur, CA and he misdiagnosed the extent of the progression of the disease in my right hand. No way could I have self-diagnosed the progression and the longer you wait the less effective the XRT treatment.

If I knew at the time of my first contracture of the nature of the disease and the availability of XRT my hands would be in much better shape today (and for the next 20 years). 99% of the GP's in the USA do not even know there is a progressive disease known as Dupuytrens and considering that statistics show it so be present in less than 3% of the USA population this can be understood. Go to Norway where the figure is around 30% and one could expect much better advice from the local GP.

Even hand surgeons in the USA want to use the same methods they have been using for the past 20 years of their practice and very few have started to provide NA which has been in use for decades in France. I paid $400 for a consultation with a Dr. Ronald Gemberling who teaches at Stanford and I was given substantially false information about the risks of NA, the risks with a fasciectomy, and the probable physical therapy and recovery times after the open hand surgery procedure with its 90 minute tourniquet time.

I would recommend getting the XRT as soon as you can and to let Dr. Seegenschmiedt do the palpation of your hands to determine the extent of the disease progression. He then will make a treatment map of your hands that is the area to be radiated and the machine is adjusted by the technician to only radiate that portion of your hand(s) and no more.

I believe the sooner you can get XRT the less the likelihood you will need NA or other surgical procedure in the future. In the USA doctors worry a great deal about getting sued for not following established medical practices and so are ultra conservative in making changes to treatment for any disease. It took a couple decades for ulcers to start being treated with antibiotics in the USA in spite of the scientific evidence of the bacterial causes.

08/06/2010 10:54
brightbell 
08/06/2010 10:54
brightbell 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

I recently had treatement at Strahlenzentrum Hamburg Nord under the supervision of Prof. Seegenschmiedt.

This was in two sessions with 10 weeks between to treat rapidly deteriotaing Dupuytren's in my Right hand.

Its now almost a month since the second treatment and I can report that the advancement of the condition has abated

with less pain and itchiness in the area and some slight flattening of the nodules.

Our visits to Germany were via Ryanair from Liverpool John Lennon to Bremen and coach from Bremen to Hamburg Hauptbahnhoff from where you will get a bus or train to other parts of the city.
this is a lot less expensive to fly than from the alternative Manchester Hamburg route but the coach is about 1 and a half hours.

On our second trip we found Wansbeker was a good place to stay. We stayed near to Wansbek Markt tube station which gave us access either to the the city or to Langenhorn Nord station which is a short walk from the clinic which is on the Lagenhorner Chausee.

Wansbeker is an area with nice shops, swimming pool, good selection of restaurants stations on U an S bahn and bus.
Only a short distance from the planetarium well worth a visit also.

Treatment only takes about 20 mins a day, they were very pleasant and flexible over timings, waits were always short.
Its difficult to know at this stage how well the treatment will last, over several years people are generally claiming good benefits
in fact I could not really find any negative comments.
Prof. Seegenschmiedt does agree there is a slight risk of a cancer but told me that it would be in about 20 years if at all and would still be a treatable thing providing any problems were not neglected.
Ian

08/11/2010 16:58
Larry 
08/11/2010 16:58
Larry 
Re: Radiotherapy in Germany

I can fully support my positive experience with Prof. Seegenschmiedt both in Essen, where he
worked until June 2009 and now in Hamburg since January 2010. He is extremely knowlegable
and very diligent in his physical examination. He also explores very carefully whether the bad
disease is active ,.i.e. growing nodules or cords or cgange of functional status etc.

I had Ledderhose Disease (i.e. the Dupuytren of the foot) but have now starting Dupuytren on
my left hand ( my working hand is right !). We are still observing as there are early symptoms,
but after a waiting period of 6 months we both will decide whether the "acrivity" is worthwile to
consider radiation therapy ... I like this careful approach very much !

It's just a recommendation to seek the advice of a very nice man and truely scientific person !

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