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OT Before contracture in DD does it help?
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01/05/2011 05:37
loonsong 
01/05/2011 05:37
loonsong 

OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

My Internist is sending me to OT for hand strengthening. My three affected fingers, 2 on one hand, one on the other have not started to contract, may never.

Does anyone have any experience with OT at this stage. I do not want to do anything to trigger contracture. After getting DD in April prior to a rolfing session I am a bit leary of anyone working on my hands.

Loonsong

01/07/2011 00:47
lori 
01/07/2011 00:47
lori 
Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

I tried OT several times and it did not help with loosening of my fingers and hand. In fact it made my hand ache more that usual. I felt like if it made my hand ache more it could not be helpful and stopped.

Lori

01/07/2011 03:10
loonsong 
01/07/2011 03:10
loonsong 

Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

Lori,

Did you try Occupational th. before contracture? I know most people have it afterwards.

I am very wary of anyone working on my hands since the rolfer caused the trauma that trigger the DD. My hands are very weak.
I need a vise grips to open a simple small bottle of water and this has been for some time. The pain when I try and force open lids is very severe. Even those childproof med caps are impossible for me to remove. I have started trying to get other people to open them for me. I order my meds online and they will only ship with that type of lid.

Don't know if there is anything they can do to help with hand strengthening, I thought a PT once said I was strong, maybe she was testing other muscles.

Unless I get a lot of response here telling me otherwise I am going to at least try it and see, I can always stop.

Loonsong

Edited 02/02/11 07:02

02/01/2011 20:24
bstenman 
02/01/2011 20:24
bstenman 
Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

OT for stretching alleviates the contracture but it is not going to slow the progression of the disease. Most doctors are completely ignorant when it comes to Dupuytren's but most still feel obligated to proscribe treatment rather than lose a patient to another doctor who no so clueless.

The real risk with these approaches is that it delays real treatment in the form of X-ray treatment that has a good chance for halting the further progression of the disease. Loss of 6-12 months in getting XRT can have life long repercussions and all your primary care doctor is going to care about is not getting sued.

02/02/2011 03:37
marjorieb 
02/02/2011 03:37
marjorieb 
Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

Just so happens, I am an OT. I worked several years as a Certified Hand Therpaist, prior to staying home with kids. Now, I find myself with L.D. and D.D.
Most patients I treated, were post-operative. They all had great immediate results (required splinting, scar management, etc), but I have no idea about long term outcomes.
I saw a few patients for conservative management, trying to avaoid contractures/surgery or manage the inflammation. I used massage, ultrasound, phonophoresis and iontophoresis of steroidal agents to decrease inflammation. Massage sometimes did decrease the tethering of cords to the skin. Nothing slowed nodule growth. Unless thoughts have changed, stretching is not good, and can actually worsen the situation.
I really wish I had asked more questions and kept a journal! Never ever expected to be the patient, instead of the therapist.
My diagnosis was by MRI, because I had a different type tumor in my great toe, in September. They were checking a new growth, and it turned out to be L.D. (just last week). MRI showed inflammation and arthritis as well. The following night, I woke with hand pain (drawing sensation) and in the morning, could already see a cord in my left hand. There is visible inflammation and lots of burning/itching.
I asked the MD (orthopedic foot specialist) about iontophoresis, and he thought this was a good plan. Being a therapist, I will procure what I need, and treat myself. I'll try to post how well it works for me.
I hope this information helps answer your questions..

02/04/2011 18:58
loonsong 
02/04/2011 18:58
loonsong 

Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

bstenman:
OT for stretching alleviates the contracture but it is not going to slow the progression of the disease. Most doctors are completely ignorant when it comes to Dupuytren's but most still feel obligated to proscribe treatment rather than lose a patient to another doctor who no so clueless.

The real risk with these approaches is that it delays real treatment in the form of X-ray treatment that has a good chance for halting the further progression of the disease. Loss of 6-12 months in getting XRT can have life long repercussions and all your primary care doctor is going to care about is not getting sued.
Hi bstenman,


Thank you.

But once again I am looking for info on NON contracted DD.

Loonsong

02/04/2011 19:07
loonsong 
02/04/2011 19:07
loonsong 

Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

marjorieb:
Just so happens, I am an OT. I worked several years as a Certified Hand Therpaist, prior to staying home with kids. Now, I find myself with L.D. and D.D.
Most patients I treated, were post-operative. They all had great immediate results (required splinting, scar management, etc), but I have no idea about long term outcomes.
I saw a few patients for conservative management, trying to avaoid contractures/surgery or manage the inflammation. I used massage, ultrasound, phonophoresis and iontophoresis of steroidal agents to decrease inflammation. Massage sometimes did decrease the tethering of cords to the skin. Nothing slowed nodule growth. Unless thoughts have changed, stretching is not good, and can actually worsen the situation.
I really wish I had asked more questions and kept a journal! Never ever expected to be the patient, instead of the therapist.
My diagnosis was by MRI, because I had a different type tumor in my great toe, in September. They were checking a new growth, and it turned out to be L.D. (just last week). MRI showed inflammation and arthritis as well. The following night, I woke with hand pain (drawing sensation) and in the morning, could already see a cord in my left hand. There is visible inflammation and lots of burning/itching.
I asked the MD (orthopedic foot specialist) about iontophoresis, and he thought this was a good plan. Being a therapist, I will procure what I need, and treat myself. I'll try to post how well it works for me.
I hope this information helps answer your questions..
Hi marjorieb,

Thank you for your share. Again I have NON contracated DD.

I have not heard anything recent (I am fairly new here) about treament with iontophoresis (but did find a link to here when I visited the web back to postings in 2002 I believe it was). I wish you well with your treatments keep us posted.

I had my second and last visit with OT. She had me put small ball of the putty betwen[i] each finger alternately and squeeze and this was very hard to do.

I am wondering if this side stretch of the fingers is also not good for DD inflicted fingers?

I have [i]not
done the exercises at home like she suggested until I hear back from the forum. I don't want to make anything worse.

Then also on my right hand I can not bend my fingers all the way down towards my palm (keeping them straight in line with the palm). She said it is just tight muscles and proceeded to manually push them down.

My question being do I want to force a finger toward my palm? This is what happens in contracture I am not sure I should mess with it. She said it was safe to do.......

Maybe I should start a new thread for this?

Loonsong

Edited 02/04/11 21:17

02/04/2011 21:43
marjorieb 
02/04/2011 21:43
marjorieb 
Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

Hi marjorieb,

Thank you for your share. Again I have NON contracated DD.

I have not heard anything recent (I am fairly new here) about treament with iontophoresis (but did find a link to here when I visited the web back to postings in 2002 I believe it was). I wish you well with your treatments keep us posted.

I had my second and last visit with OT. She had me put small ball of the putty betwen[i] each finger alternately and squeeze and this was very hard to do.

I am wondering if this side stretch of the fingers is also not good for DD inflicted fingers?

I have [i]not
done the exercises at home like she suggested until I hear back from the forum. I don't want to make anything worse.

Then also on my right hand I can not bend my fingers all the way down towards my palm (keeping them straight in line with the palm). She said it is just tight muscles and proceeded to manually push them down.

My question being do I want to force a finger toward my palm? This is what happens in contracture I am not sure I should mess with it. She said it was safe to do.......

Maybe I should start a new thread for this?




Loonsong,

Sounds like the therapist is trying to maintain your hand strength. Squeezing the putty between your fingers (I assume you mean you are placing your hand on a table top, putty between each, and bring fingers together) will maintain the strength of the 'intrinsic' hand muscles. Putting a 'ring' of putty around your fingers and spreading them apart is also strengthening. This will not effect the disease process in any way.
What you do not want to do is stretch your fingers into 'dorsal extension', an example would be if you put one palm against the palm side of your opposite fingers, then stretch your fingers away from your palm, toward the back of your hand. This can increase the tightenning of the fascia/cords.
Can you clarify, which joints won't baned toward your palm? Gently stretching the muscles which straighten your fingers (by gently bending them into your hand) will not make things worse.
It's hard to know, from your post, exactly what she is targeting. Did the MD send you because of weakness, since you have no contracture?
Ionto/phonophoresis are for treatment of inflammation/pain, not contracture.

Hope this helps some. If your therapist is a Certified Hand Therapist, she should have knowledge of what is correct therapy. The safest rule is that if it causes you pain, you shouldn't do it, ESPECIALLY stretching.

Feel free to message me, if you would like.

Beth

02/04/2011 22:24
loonsong 
02/04/2011 22:24
loonsong 

Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

marjorieb:
Hi marjorieb,

Thank you for your share. Again I have NON contracated DD.

I have not heard anything recent (I am fairly new here) about treament with iontophoresis (but did find a link to here when I visited the web back to postings in 2002 I believe it was). I wish you well with your treatments keep us posted.

I had my second and last visit with OT. She had me put small ball of the putty betwen[i] each finger alternately and squeeze and this was very hard to do.

I am wondering if this side stretch of the fingers is also not good for DD inflicted fingers?

I have [i]not
done the exercises at home like she suggested until I hear back from the forum. I don't want to make anything worse.

Then also on my right hand I can not bend my fingers all the way down towards my palm (keeping them straight in line with the palm). She said it is just tight muscles and proceeded to manually push them down.

My question being do I want to force a finger toward my palm? This is what happens in contracture I am not sure I should mess with it. She said it was safe to do.......

Maybe I should start a new thread for this?




Loonsong,

Sounds like the therapist is trying to maintain your hand strength. Squeezing the putty between your fingers (I assume you mean you are placing your hand on a table top, putty between each, and bring fingers together) will maintain the strength of the 'intrinsic' hand muscles. Putting a 'ring' of putty around your fingers and spreading them apart is also strengthening. This will not effect the disease process in any way.
What you do not want to do is stretch your fingers into 'dorsal extension', an example would be if you put one palm against the palm side of your opposite fingers, then stretch your fingers away from your palm, toward the back of your hand. This can increase the tightenning of the fascia/cords.
Can you clarify, which joints won't baned toward your palm? Gently stretching the muscles which straighten your fingers (by gently bending them into your hand) will not make things worse.
It's hard to know, from your post, exactly what she is targeting. Did the MD send you because of weakness, since you have no contracture?
Ionto/phonophoresis are for treatment of inflammation/pain, not contracture.

Hope this helps some. If your therapist is a Certified Hand Therapist, she should have knowledge of what is correct therapy. The safest rule is that if it causes you pain, you shouldn't do it, ESPECIALLY stretching.

Feel free to message me, if you would like.

Beth
Hi Beth,

Thanks for posting.

The OT had me put one hand at a time on low table top and put one ball of putty in between each finger at a time and sqeeze together. Is that clear? And You say this is good, it sure is hard and I can't see what it willhelp.

MD sent me there because of weakness which maybe causes me hand pain when I try to open lids etc. But I am basically strong but I cannot maintain pressure without pain. I tested high on strength. But am unable to pick up heavy objects without injuring myself or causing tendonitis sometimes.

Perhaps my fibro is the cause of this I am not sure.

She is certified but has never worked on anyone w/ non contracted DD she ahs worked on post op DD patients.

But the first exercise she gave me and I posted about earlier I was suspect about and I posted here which lead me to opt out of treatment. I found out it would (like I thought) cause my condition to worsen.

The joint nearest the tip of the finger that is the one that will not bend very much on R hand, on L hand I can get each joint to bend with my finger tips resting on my palm. On R hand they form a sort of C out in the air. I injured the wrist as a child and had stitches which I have been told damaged my hand and caused the fingers to not be able to bend later on.

And BTW ever since the exercises she had me do in her office the other day my biggest nodule has gone back to being reddish in color, it has been gradually fading but is still red on the side. I don't thing what we were doing was good.

One thing was rolling hand over a big log of putty. Another was placing finger close together in the middle of the fat pancake shaped putty then spread them appart slowly. And there were several hand squeezes involving the putty. It was an hour of exercises and she wanted me to do them once a day.

Loonsong

Edited 02/05/11 00:32

02/04/2011 22:48
marjorieb 
02/04/2011 22:48
marjorieb 
Re: OT Before contracture in DD does it help?

Loonsong,

It does sound like you may be having more symptoms related to fibro. Do you have osteoarthritis? Are your joints, near the finger tip, larger? It seems you may have a mixture of things going on. If so, you have to be carefull that you aren't making one worse, while trying to help the other.

If you are doing anything which causes you joint pain, you should stop. It is important to keep your strength and range of motion, but you can do that without causing pain or further damage. It also shouldn't require ongoing therapy, but just instruction and follow-up as needed.

If you are having pain while opening lids, etc, have you tried any assistive devices, yet? I have had to do that, myself. I am planning to get some putty. I will get the soft grade, and only exercise within pain tolerance. That is the safest plan, and will avoid any adverse effects.

Beth

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