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01/12/2012 21:52
stephenp
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01/12/2012 21:52
stephenp
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
I live in Brisbane and had RT for DD 6 months ago. If you look for the thread "RT in Brisbane" you will find a reasonably detailed account of RT done by Dr David Schlect from Premion at the Wesley Medical Centre in Auchenflower. The treatment was conducted using the same protocol as reported in the literature. I was the second or third patient he had treated.
At 6 months post treatment the disease progression has stopped, the nodules are clearly smaller, softer and flatter. The chord also seems to be less prominent although the change here has been smaller. I do not get any pain or aching. The numbness in the major affected finger has reduced to the extent that I no longer notice it although in analysing this today there is still some numbness present. The skin in the affected area is still a little dry but this is not a problem; there is no redness or flaking and I put a little moisturiser on once or twice a week. I am able to use the treated hand as normal although I do take a little care not to put a lot of pressure on the nodules when cycling, gardening or when at the gym.
In summary, the RT treatment has worked for me and, as the treatment is relatively simple and well described, I do not believe that there is a need to go to Germany. The total out of pocket cost was less than I originally anticipated, in the order of $500 with treatment costs re-imbursed by Medicare.
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01/14/2012 12:14
Anthony
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01/14/2012 12:14
Anthony
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Thanks Stephen I'll look into Dr Schlect. Do you know if he works with Dr Christie from the Gold Coast? At 46 I am concerned with RT as I have had many X-rays for many broken bones and a chronic back complaint. Should I be concerned? As mentioned previously I have disease in both feet and both hands. While researching my family history recently I was informed that a number of family members have had the disease. I was shocked to hear that my grandfather (who had Dups) had a half brother and sister who were both very badly affected. The brother was so bad that he was considered a "cripple" in his time. From a moderate age he could not walk or use his hands at all. His sister was not much better off. Just for a "kicker" both of them were also severe hunchbacks from some form of kyphosis or scoliosis. They were country people and had little or no diagnosis or medical assistance. Neither married or has children so their history stopped with them. There are other family members on my grandfathers line that have both DD and similar back issues.
Does anyone know of a relationship between DD or LD and other joint conditions? My back became a significant problem at around the same time as the LD began some 18 years ago. The back tissue (tendons and ligaments) tightness near the thorsic spine feels very similar to that of the DD and LD tissue.
Anybody else with experiences of Dr Schlect or Dr Christie for RT near Brisbane? AB
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01/15/2012 19:53
Larry
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01/15/2012 19:53
Larry
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Dear stephenp
If you have special problems there is nothing better than 20 years of experience ... which you will never get in Australia !
Your Hands and Feet are unique and life-long comrades for you, nothing to let someone with few expereince letting do a decisive job ... That was my decision, however I am living in GERMANY !
Alle the best, Larry
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01/16/2012 00:11
stephenp
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01/16/2012 00:11
stephenp
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Larry
If I lived in Germany I would be right with you preferring the experience; but I do not so I need to make the best of what is available. However, I would re-state that the treatment is not complex. Also at aged 59, I do not mind contributing to a build up of experience in Australia.
In answer to another question in this thread, Drs Schlect and Christie are both Premion radiologists, one based in Brisbane and one on the Gold Coast. I believe Dr Christie also has has DD RT experience.
Cheers
Stephen
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01/16/2012 05:59
Dirk
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01/16/2012 05:59
Dirk
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Guys,
I just booked an appointment for January 25 with Dr. David Christie for an initial consult in Lismore. Actual treatment will have to be done on the Gold Coast. I am also considering seeing Dr. David Schlect, yet the Gold Coast is more convenient than Brisbane as I live in Mullumbimby in the Byron Shire. Will post my experiences.
Cheers,
Dirk
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01/19/2012 06:28
Anthony
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01/19/2012 06:28
Anthony
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi All before a final decision on whether to try radiotherapy I visited an experienced hand surgeon here in Brisbane. As a patient with Dupuytrens diathesis (a more aggressive form) and as a 46 year old, it was recommended that radiotherapy be avoided at all costs. The arguement was that the tissue radiated would be compromised and that future surgery would be much more difficult. Previously another surgeon has expressed the same view. Has anyone experienced such difficulties? .....or heard similar arguements? This doctor had the view that treatment with NA, Xiaflex when available here, and surgery would achieve a better long term outcome.
AB
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01/20/2012 03:54
flojo
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01/20/2012 03:54
flojo
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Because RT effectively stopped or greatly slowed progression of my Dupuytren's, I don't foresee ever needing surgery. If it is possible for you, I suggest you have a consultation with radiologist who does RT for Dupuytren's and possibly other non-cancerous conditions.
Radiation protocol used for Dupuytren's is a very, very low dose. I doubt the doctor you talked with has done any study about how radiation is done to treat Dupuytren's. A doctor who actually does RT for Dupuytren's would answer your questions from direct knowledge and experience.
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01/20/2012 06:15
wach ![](styles/dupuytren-responsive/images/admin.gif) Administrator
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01/20/2012 06:15
wach ![](styles/dupuytren-responsive/images/admin.gif) Administrator
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Certainly RT is damaging tissue but surgeons who operated Dupuytren's after RT tell that it is OK. What your surgeons tell you is probably based on old publications referring to heavily irradiated cases, not their own experience with operating Dupuytren's patients who had RT before. But maybe you can inquire? It certainly depends on the amount of radiation and for Dupuytren's the total dose is relatively low.
BTW, their argument would also rule out surgery. A second surgery is MUCH more difficult due to the scarring of the first surgery. That's based on real experience from many sugreons and your surgeons will probably agree to it. So, with a strong diathesis you ought to avoid surgery as long as possible because Dupuytren's might come back quickly and require more and more difficult surgery. I would try minimal invasive procedures to correct a bent finger and RT to slow down progression where no fingers are bent.
Wolfgang
Anthony: Hi All before a final decision on whether to try radiotherapy I visited an experienced hand surgeon here in Brisbane. As a patient with Dupuytrens diathesis (a more aggressive form) and as a 46 year old, it was recommended that radiotherapy be avoided at all costs. The arguement was that the tissue radiated would be compromised and that future surgery would be much more difficult. Previously another surgeon has expressed the same view. Has anyone experienced such difficulties? .....or heard similar arguements? This doctor had the view that treatment with NA, Xiaflex when available here, and surgery would achieve a better long term outcome.
AB
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01/20/2012 11:45
newman
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01/20/2012 11:45
newman
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Hi Anthony The first Oncologist in Australia to list on the International Dupuytren Society was Dr.Chris Harper from the Royal Perth Hospital back in 2007. It would be interesting to even find a Surgeon in Australia ,who has operated on a patient who has had the low dose Radiotherapy recommended by Prof Seegenschmiedt. As previously posted I have 4 large grafts on both hands ,which have a distinctive discolouration. I have had comments from surgeons "was that the result of radiotherapy" The reality is they are only experts in their own field. What is needed that Surgeons and Oncologists come together for a free flow of information . This is the case in Germany, where there are hospitals that only treat hands. In a country as large as Australia and a population a quarter of Germany the possibility is low. I liken the example to both the butcher and the baker, they are in the food industry one uses salt the other uses yeast in their industry ,each profession not knowing too much about the use of the product of the other . In a previous life I was an administrator in a private hospital and had some experience dealing with the medico profession. You have to make your own mind up Regards from 'Down Under.' PS. I did have a discussion about the use of radiotherapy with Prof Seegenschmiedt and he informed me the technique was simple for any Oncologist. Have your read the chapters on the use of radiotherapy in the book published by Seegenschmiedt. It is available on this site. It may help with your discision.
Edited 01/20/12 16:56
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01/20/2012 15:00
callie
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01/20/2012 15:00
callie
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Re: Aussie needs your experience
Has RT ever failed? I am still troubled by people reporting excellent results. If I would have had RT in my right hand 15 years ago I would have been screaming from the highest mountain about how successful it was 15 years later, that "RT stopped the progression". Well, I didn't have RT 15 years ago and my Dupuytren's in my right hand has not advanced any. It is exactly as it was 15 years ago. This occurred at the same time my left hand (little finger) contracted to 90 degrees. My two hands were parallel in progression, one stopped and one continued to progress.
My question is, "how is the unknown progression figured into the endorsement of RT?"
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