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03/15/2011 21:05
altoclef 
03/15/2011 21:05
altoclef 
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Boy, Cricket, your situation sounds a lot like mine. I developed a trigger finger in my right middle finger. Lots of extenuating circumstances- an old break, an inflammatory reaction to a drug that settled in the top joint, and so on. After cortisone injections provided only temporary help, I had surgery in December. It's been all downhill from there. The locking is probably gone, but who knows? I can't close that finger enough to tell. Can't open it anymore, either. The pain in the palm of my hand is still bad, there are a bunch of lumps there now, a cord, plenty of swelling in the finger, knots in the muscles in my forearm, wrist and shoulder pain, just a thrill a minute!!

I don't know if the surgery triggered what they now say is Dupuytren's, but the timing sure seems suspicious. If you are looking at more aggressive treatment for your trigger finger, ask a lot of questions.

03/15/2011 23:53
cricket 
03/15/2011 23:53
cricket 
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I saw the Dr. yesterday. She said it was Dupuytren's. She is sending me back to the orthopedic surgeon that treated the trigger finger. She said he is pretty conservative and that surgery probably wouldn't be his first choice. We'll see. I am in Syracuse NY. If anyone has any feedback on drs - good or bad I would really, really appreciate it.

03/15/2011 23:57
cricket 
03/15/2011 23:57
cricket 
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altoclef:
Boy, Cricket, your situation sounds a lot like mine. I developed a trigger finger in my right middle finger. Lots of extenuating circumstances- an old break, an inflammatory reaction to a drug that settled in the top joint, and so on. After cortisone injections provided only temporary help, I had surgery in December. It's been all downhill from there. The locking is probably gone, but who knows? I can't close that finger enough to tell. Can't open it anymore, either. The pain in the palm of my hand is still bad, there are a bunch of lumps there now, a cord, plenty of swelling in the finger, knots in the muscles in my forearm, wrist and shoulder pain, just a thrill a minute!!

I don't know if the surgery triggered what they now say is Dupuytren's, but the timing sure seems suspicious. If you are looking at more aggressive treatment for your trigger finger, ask a lot of questions.


Your experience is a nightmare! What do you do next? Did you have physical therapy? I fell about 12 years ago and broke 3 fingers on my unaffected hand. I had to have surgery to repair the nerves. PT was crucial for me to get to use my fingers - I still can't make a complete fist but I guess I can't punch anyone out either LOL

Hmmm one hand can't bend completely, the other can't straighten completely. I'm a mess!

03/16/2011 19:16
altoclef 
03/16/2011 19:16
altoclef 
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I don't what to do next. I saw the physician's assistant about two weeks ago. He was the first to use the D word. I saw the surgeon yesterday, and the visit was a disaster. He wants me to go back to physical therapy, although I told him I've actually had slightly better range of motion and significantly less pain over the two weeks I haven't gone. He suggested that the therapist was incompetent and that I hadn't bothered to do what they asked me to. His only other suggestion is cortisone injections. The first time I tried that, 9 months ago, they caused severe pain once the Novocaine wore off- at least as bad as broken bones or childbirth- and the benefit only lasted about three or four months. After that, the original problem was back, worse than before. I'm having a hard time convincing myself that cortisone is a viable option. (I'm also having a hard time convincing myself that ever darkening this doctor's doorway again is a viable option.) He suggested I consult with a rheumatologist, as I "have a lot of problems" but said that the rheumatologist wouldn't have any help for my hand.

I have a call into the hand therapist. First, there's the question of whether my insurance co. will authorize any more treatment. If they will, I want to go at least TALK to her. I don't know how much she knows about Dupuytren's, as I get the impression PT isn't usually used, except maybe after surgery or another treatment.

I don't know how many of my problems are from the surgery and how much is the Dupuytren's. I don't feel like any of this is my fault, and I've been conscientious about doing what the doctor and therapist have told me to do. I think I have a surgeon who gets really ratty and defensive when surgery doesn't get good results. I'm not looking for a lawyer, I don't blame him for what has happened, I just want to know what's going on and what we can do about it!

Who has given you good advice?

03/16/2011 21:35
Maddie 
03/16/2011 21:35
Maddie 
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This is just my personal opinion, but if it were me I would look for another doctor immediately. Unless there was a really compelling reason, I would not stay with a doctor who treated me that way.

I don't know a lot about the treatment options you discuss, but I did have a situation that was a little similar with an orthopedic surgeon and a shoulder problem. About 2 years ago I came down with frozen shoulder (another condition where they don't know the cause, where you have very limited mobility and a lot of pain). The doctor sent me to physical therapy, which made it worse. I think the physical therapist was too aggressive -- I kept telling her that I thought we were pushing it too fast and making the pain worse, but she wouldn't listen. I switched PTs and this happened with the second one as well.

And that surgeon also gave me cortisone shots twice. They helped a lot for a while, but then wore off and I was back where I had been before. If I had it to do over again, I wouldn't get the cortisone shots, because they are not good for you and I don't think they were anything other than a temporary fix.

I don't know how much of this experience, if any, could be extrapolated to apply to your hand situation, as it is a different part of the body and a different medical problem (or problems). But I wanted to share my experience with this.

I wish I could be more help about the specifics of your situation, but unfortunately I don't have the technical knowledge. But if I were in your position I would start by looking for a doctor that had a more helpful, respectful attitude.

Maddie

03/17/2011 04:00
marjorieb 
03/17/2011 04:00
marjorieb 
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Cricket,

I can understand your confusion, and it does sound more like trigger finger. I worked for many years as a certified hand therapist. The symptoms you describe are typical of trigger finger, and it tends to be a very chronic, painful problem which will eventually cause contracture without surgery, splinting. With trigger finger, the nodule is on the actual tendon, not allowing it to easily slide trough the 'pulley system' of the hand. As you know by now, Dupuytren's effects the fascia, not the tendon.
Having said all of that, I was experiencing what felt like triggering in my hands for a couple of months. It was confusing, because it was involving all fingers, both hands. I knew it couldn't be trigger finger. Since I didn't fit the profile (except that I am of German heritage) I never suspected D.D.
After having severe foot pain, MRI diagnosis of L.D., I realized what the situation was with my hands.

All that to say, that even though there are 'typical presentations' which we read about, there are atypical presentations of every disease. My MRI said 'atypical presentation of plantar fibromatosis', my DD is the same. I have rapidly forming cords, but barely noticeable nodules.

Only an experienced MD, or therapist would recognize this. You need to make sure you are seeing a hand specialist, and if you aren't happy with him, find another. This isn't necessarily an orthopedic surgeon, many excellent hand surgeons are plastic surgeons. You should also be seeing a Certified Hand Therapist, which may be a Physical Therapist or Occupational Therapist (of which I am the latter). Don't be afraid to ask whether they have experience with trigger finger/D.D.. Any professional worth their weight won't be offended by being questioned.

Best wishes with all of this. Please message me, if you feel I can answer any other questions.
Beth

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