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Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA
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01/24/2008 02:45
Joe 
01/24/2008 02:45
Joe 
Re: Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA

I am really interested in Serrapeptase. Is there any place I can order it? Can it be found locally at supplement stores?

    01/25/2008 03:09
    Joe 
    01/25/2008 03:09
    Joe 
    Re: Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA

    I found something at the supplement store today called Serrazimes.

    http://www.nowfoods.com/?action=itemdetail&item_id=76010

    Any idea if this is the same stuff?

      02/01/2008 09:13
      scotty 
      02/01/2008 09:13
      scotty 
      Re: Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA

      G'day Gang,

      Just wanted to mention a little of what I've been up to in the 6 months I was first diagnosed with DD.

      I sought a lot of advice (a lot of which came from my brilliant brother - a doctor of Chinese medicine) and I believe I've successfully halted the disorder.

      I had two small lumps either side of the crease in my palm, about 1inch below the ring finger on my left hand. For some time after I noticed the nodules they were painful to press... particularly if I picked something up and it pressed them into my palm. I have not had any contraction or noticeable cord. I believed my regular rockclimbing (3+ times per week - hard grades) and my violin playing were major contributors to the onset of the disorder.

      So I stopped climbing and changed how I gripped the violin and regularly "massaged" the nodules. I believe it's the way I massage the area that has halted it's progress. The way I do it is to dry my hand (sweat - even a little - doesn't help) or use climbing chalk to help pinch the nodule. It's like I'm trying to pinch and separate the skin (which had thickened over the nodules) from the underlying tissue/nodule. Then I sort of role the skin between my fingers until the purchase is firm then I pull the skin up and away from my palm. This hurts HEAPS! but it feels as if it thwarts the disorder's growth. If I pull the skin up and to the right (toward my little finger) it hurts the most and feels the most beneficial - but this might simply be peculiar to my particular nodules.

      The idea behind it is what my brother called "facia stretching". The chinese believe in stagnation of things, in this case the fascia tissue and it's important to keep it mobile. I hope I'm explaining all this ok?! Basically the theory is fascia tissue won't stretch if pulled quickly. It will tear instead. So the idea is to pull it slowly and hold it for at least 30secs. And I do notice the pain subsides after a good consistent 30sec stretch. You might be thinking you want to tear the fascia with a quick, sharp tug (with enough purchase) but the fascia is bound to already moveable substructures... so I stretch it.

      The chinese use the fascia technique on other parts of the body (sternum and lower back) to remove/alleviate stagnation. Do you ever get a sore lower back? You can take a good pinch of skin over your back bone above your bum and pull it out til it won't go any further, then tug it sharply from there and you will hear a pop (sounds like a knuckly cracking) You should be able to do that over each vertebrae (roughly) up til about half way up your back. This sharp pop is the fascia tearing - and it DOESN'T hurt at all. If you try it on your sternum if won't tear, here you can only stretch it by pinching and pulling and holding - this DOES hurt.

      I should also make it know, we're not of Chinese descent (in case my brother's profession confused you). We are of English/Scottish background.

      Hope some of you might find this interesting...

      Regards,

      Scotty

        02/01/2008 12:55
        Wolfgang

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        02/01/2008 12:55
        Wolfgang

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        Re: Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA

        Hi Scotty, I think you are perfectly describing what the nodule does: in a healthy hand the skin can slide and fold/unfold when you close or stretch your fingers. The initial Dupuytren nodule wouldn't be much of a problem if it didn't "glue" the skin to the underlying tissue. If the skin can't stretch anymore you get an extension deficit. Now when stretching there is a pulling force on the nodule and I personally believe that cords develop along that pulling force. With your massage you are trying to keep the skin movable. Makes a lot of sense to me.

        By the way: there is less skin movement in the arch of your feet. That might be the reason why with Ledderhose nodules often don't develop into cords. But they then keep growing and get really big, much bigger than in the palm. That's the bad news.

        Wolfgang

          02/08/2008 04:38
          scotty 
          02/08/2008 04:38
          scotty 
          Re: Alternative therapy...Surgeon at Duke doing NA

          Mmm... I reckon you're right Wolfgang. i definitely think keeping the skin from bonding to the nodule is the trick. As of yet I haven't felt a cord type growth. There is still a mass beneath the skin where the pronounced nodule used to be - kinda like the nodule flattened somewhat. The skin is still "tethered" to the underlying mass but is certainly not as thick as it was before.

          I believe you must be right that the cords develop along the line of the pulling force as new adhesions try to bond with the skin. Makes sense to me too.

          Anyway, I thought I'd share my thoughts with you all. My Dad is unable to do the kind of "massage" that I'm doing as his DD has gone too far. He can only stretch now... and that hurts him enough!

          Cheers,

          Scotty

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