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03/25/2010 12:49
TrevB
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03/25/2010 12:49
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
Very interesting. I think that I took part in the survey but will certainly comment on here as well so thanks for pointing it out. I was pleased to read that most of the problems one might have with the treatment are classed as theoretical. I also wonder which location wishes to offer radiation as a treatment? One would imagine that it's Poole but they did seem extremely busy with only Dr Goode seemingly flying the dups/radiotherapy flag
Cambidgeshire, UK.
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03/25/2010 14:18
wach Administrator
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03/25/2010 14:18
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
This is a preliminary document, still open to comments. "The Advisory Committee will meet again to consider the original evidence and its provisional recommendations in the light of the comments received during consultation".
The provisional recommendation is "this procedure should only be used in the context of research" (from the "Interventional Procedures Consultation Document").
The "Interventional Procedures Overview" is not identcal with the consultation document. I am not sure why that is and what their relation is. In any case the advisory committee seems to be reluctant about radiotherapy: "Two Specialist Advisors classified the procedure as novel and of uncertain safety and efficacy (in the UK)". "The perceived benefit of this procedure is to help avoid (or postpone) the need for surgical intervention; however, the underlying disease will usually remain and contracted finger joints will rarely regain their movement. The mechanism of action of radiation therapy is unclear."
See also the thread in this forum about NICE initial consultation http://www.dupuytren-online.info/Forum_E...r-dc-0_746.html.
Comments specifically from UK patients who have experience with RT of Dupuytren's, either in the UK or abroad, might be useful and can be submitted via the page on the the link in the initial post (you need to go the the consultation document for entering comments).
Wolfgang
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03/25/2010 15:02
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03/25/2010 15:02
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
Trevor,
I believe you are right that this process was prompted by Poole Hospital, I get the impression from the documentation that 23 questionaires were sent out, the implication being that Poole has treated 23 patients. There is clearly a demand in the UK despite the difficulties in getting GPs to refer you for this 'alternative' treatment at Poole Hospital. There are probably others of us from the UK who may have been treated elsewhere, but I was refused permission to complete the questionnaire without reason we may never know?
I also apologize for opening a second parallel thread on this subject, unfortunately I think handhurt1 and myself both were notified of the consultation update at the same time.
Philip
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03/25/2010 16:42
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03/25/2010 16:42
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
It would be great if we could merge both threads into one but, as usual with software, this will be a feature of the next release ...
To PhilipHa1: Who did you send your question to originally? Ben Doak? Steven Barnes is out of office and responses might take some time.
With regard to Poole I know at least one patient who was treated there and not contacted. Anyway, I am not sure whether more patients would have made a difference because from reading the document I feel that responses from patients were only of interest with regard to side effects. It might sound strange but if a patient reported that RT helped its no proof, just anecdotal evidence. If he/she said it had side effects it's believed and documented.
Wolfgang
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03/25/2010 17:21
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03/25/2010 17:21
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
Wolfgang,
In the autumn I communicated with Emma Chambers who I think was project manager for the consultation at the time. I spoke to her a number of times on the phone and communicated with her by email. At no point were my questions answered, she did however say she was going to 'clarify a process issue with the technical team' before replying, this never happened.
Recently I have spoken to NICE on the phone and was told to email Ben Doak which I did. Having not got a response I phoned again (twice) and was told that they would pass a message onto Ben to ask him to respond to my email questions. Having again not heard anything since, as per the other thread I have written to the CEO of NICE. I have not attempted to contact Steve Barnes as I was told that Ben Doak was managing the project.
In the final paragraph of your comment above, you refer to 'anecdotal' evidence. I am not clear what you mean in this circumstance, perhaps you would mind expanding on this comment? Do you mean that the papers by Professor Seegenschmiedt rely on anecdotal evidence and are therefore somehow flawed, or more narrowly that the results from the NICE questionnaire contain anecdotal evidence (on which I would agree with you)?
An another more general point are you aware of any evidence, cases where someone has developed cancer in the area of the hand following radiotherapy treatment for Dupuytren's contracture?
Thanks,
Philip
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03/25/2010 18:10
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03/25/2010 18:10
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
Philip,
my comment on anecdotal evidence referred to patients' comments. My feeling is that if a patient reports a good result of RT the committee will not regard this as scientific proof of the effectiveness of RT. They will require statistical relevant data and comparison to a control group (and right so). Interesting enough that's exactly what Seegenschmiedt started about 10 -12 yearss ago. His paper of 2001 was published in a peer reviewed journal and was therefore accepted by the committee. Later reports about the long term outcome of this study from Seegenschmiedt have so far been ignored because they were presented only on a conference. Seegenschmiedt will present a review paper at the Miami conference http://dupuytrensymposium.com/program.html which will go into a peer reviewed book and will then probably be acknowledged by NICE. But it will be another 9 - 12 months before the book is published.
So far I have not seen any report of cancer after RT of Dupuytren's disease. But you woul dprobably need 10 - 100 k patients to find one. Don't know whether so many have been treated and are being tracked. Probably not.
Wolfgang
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12/17/2011 21:38
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12/17/2011 21:38
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Re: Radiotherapy in UK
PhilipHa1:
I believe you are right that this process was prompted by Poole Hospital, I get the impression from the documentation that 23 questionaires were sent out, the implication being that Poole has treated 23 patients. There is clearly a demand in the UK despite the difficulties in getting GPs to refer you for this 'alternative' treatment at Poole Hospital.
Funnily enough I've just had a letter from Poole saying that despite my interest in RT (which I had a few years ago btw through the NHS) the hospital is no longer able to offer the treatment under the NHS due to budget constraints. They can however offer it privately at £1500 for one hand and £2500 for two hands.
Contact the private patient office at Poole hospital.
Trevor
Cambidgeshire, UK.
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